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It's more about your club team that will get recruited than high school team.

Matt Hogan

Matt was Head Coach at Penn before he came to MIAA.
Willie Scroggs was an assistant at Gilman before Carolina
Charley Toomey was Head Coach at Severn before going back to Loyola
I believe Buddy Beardmore was also Head Coach at Severn before going to Maryland.

Dave Cottle was the coach at Severn before he went to Loyola, not Toomey

He isnt leaving until season is over..So long time to find someone. More than likely new coach will have some ties to Loyola. MIAA coaching is a grind with being rewarded a god like stature in the Baltimore High School lacrosse world. Well it is if you win constantly, if not prison wardens have better things said about them.

Question has any MIAA Head coaches gone on to coach at College Level?

Dave Cottle was the coach at Severn before he went to Loyola, not Toomey

Is it ever OK to talk to a HS coach about your kid.... struggling with this....

Is it ever OK to talk to a HS coach about your kid.... struggling with this....

Is it ever OK to talk to a HS coach about your kid.... struggling with this....

Got the advertisement for UA tryouts this summer. Who actually thinks these are real tryouts for all positions.
If you look at the players that make teams, majority revolve around coach and coaches of teams. Not just their players but players they know or other coaches they know.

To me it looks like a tryout for no more than half of the team. The rest are already in the tank. Is my perception right??

And of course with MD teams the age factor is an issue too. My question is more related to actual picking of players

[quote=Anonymous]Undoubtedly true but shouldn’t a surprise. I think the evaluators try to be impartial but if you’ve watched a kid play or coached against a kid (for a year or years in youth lacrosse), you have seen even more of them than a tryout allows. There are plenty of non-MIAA evaluators but the top players largely play in the MIAA-A and on the top club teams and so aren’t a mystery and hard to disguise them with a number pinney. So it stands to reason that coaches from the top programs have top players there or are familiar with them otherwise. I’m sure the Long Island evaluators and coaches are similar. Team 91/Express etc players from Chaminade or St Anthony’s are not only some of the best players, but likely to be well known to the coaches. Would be true in hockey or soccer I suspect... Is there a hidden bias, all else being equal, if a kid is wearing a Loyola or BL or McD lid vs a Fallston kid? Probably. But it also means that kid probably plays with or against top talent every day which just isn’t true with every team in MD. (There’s a good video on YouTube on the UA tryouts)

Well said and factual. I am an evaluator and your spot on. Comes down to the kids that play against the top competition regularly are given the benefit of the doubt. and 9 times out 10 they are the better players and show it. Just the way it is.

Baltimore tryouts during finals week 5/30-31 5pm -9pm w/ SAT Exam on Saturday. Will be tough during cunch time for these kids. DC's tryout 6/12-13

The problem is people lie, they say we are not looking at the helmet only the pinnie number. I remember five years ago 2 evaluators said my kid on that day was one of the 5 best middies at the try outs, also they tell you if you don't try you can't make team, also BS. All the kids pick were on the Turtles and 91 Orange.

True making the team is a crap shoot if you're not plugged in and elevators know you. However I have heard of surprise picks every year. College coaches do come these evaluations (at least in Baltimore and probably LI, Philly etc) so there is an opportunity to at least be in front of these guys. And it's open to all no matter what school or club...

May be open to all but the team is pretty much decided based on politics and cliques. In Baltimore region it is a waste of time and most kids know that. The "in" kids know they are shoe ins and the other kids who think it is an objective event go and become the token 1 or 2. The quality players without the right last name or legacy stay away as the ball never gets passed and the attitudes are sky high. Better to stay home and hit the wall to prep for team events.

What is the cost of this vary fair open to all Tryout this year?

May be open to all but the team is pretty much decided based on politics and cliques. In Baltimore region it is a waste of time and most kids know that. The "in" kids know they are shoe ins and the other kids who think it is an objective event go and become the token 1 or 2. The quality players without the right last name or legacy stay away as the ball never gets passed and the attitudes are sky high. Better to stay home and hit the wall to prep for team events.

Plus if you arent an over age future true 10 grader or 12 grader....You have even less of a chance. Baltimore should be advertised as any 10 grade or 12 grade prefirst/heldback/reclassed players come try out.. It was so bad last year...Even the guru of recruiting Ty said something had to be done about age differences. It was that obvious/ Sad state for lacrosse

Plus if you arent an over age future true 10 grader or 12 grader....You have even less of a chance. Baltimore should be advertised as any 10 grade or 12 grade prefirst/heldback/reclassed players come try out.. It was so bad last year...Even the guru of recruiting Ty said something had to be done about age differences. It was that obvious/ Sad state for lacrosse

John Haus, DC at Loyola B to Hopkins and UNC, More kids go straight collegiate positions now rather than go to high school first. More $$ in college coaching now vs. past. Faster path to HC in college.

He isnt leaving until season is over..So long time to find someone. More than likely new coach will have some ties to Loyola. MIAA coaching is a grind with being rewarded a god like stature in the Baltimore High School lacrosse world. Well it is if you win constantly, if not prison wardens have better things said about them.

Question has any MIAA Head coaches gone on to coach at College Level?

Ubriaco is new coach for the Dons

With some strong assistants coming in with him.

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All kidding aside I thought it was a good event (DC). I would say that the evaluators have their team already set, so the outsiders (public school and mostly on age kids) have a very remote chance of making the final roster unless they are really exceptional and have an opportunity to shine. The evaluators are primarily the private school (IAC & WCAC) coaches and they know all of the private school kids. I would agree that most of those kids are the best players, so it is hard to argue with the results and final roster. A lot of talented kids to choose from for the final roster.

Attended the DC UA tryouts last year and my son was selected to play in the final cut down game, but did not make the final UA team representing DC. Which was fair! I thought he deserved to be in the final cut down game, but did not standout well enough to make the final roster. A moral victory I guess! He is a on age, public school kid and is committed to a mid-level D1 program. It was a great event to gauge his abilities with his peers. Especially for the public school kids that aren't blessed with the daily competitive environment that the private kids are exposed to.

There were three or four preliminary games then approximately 40 kids are selected to play in the final cut down game before the final roster is chosen to represent your region. I think there were about 200 kids trying out for each team of rising 9th/10th graders and 11th/12th graders for DC.

May be open to all but the team is pretty much decided based on politics and cliques. In Baltimore region it is a waste of time and most kids know that. The "in" kids know they are shoe ins and the other kids who think it is an objective event go and become the token 1 or 2. The quality players without the right last name or legacy stay away as the ball never gets passed and the attitudes are sky high. Better to stay home and hit the wall to prep for team events.

Plus if you arent an over age future true 10 grader or 12 grader....You have even less of a chance. Baltimore should be advertised as any 10 grade or 12 grade prefirst/heldback/reclassed players come try out.. It was so bad last year...Even the guru of recruiting Ty said something had to be done about age differences. It was that obvious/ Sad state for lacrosse

blah, blah, blah older kids blah, blah blah, old news, just move on......and ty xander is an ass [ChillLaxin], hardly a guru of recruiting, whoever is buying him beer that night gets his kid mentioned, he is not evaluating any talent

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All kidding aside I thought it was a good event (DC). I would say that the evaluators have their team already set, so the outsiders (public school and mostly on age kids) have a very remote chance of making the final roster unless they are really exceptional and have an opportunity to shine. The evaluators are primarily the private school (IAC & WCAC) coaches and they know all of the private school kids. I would agree that most of those kids are the best players, so it is hard to argue with the results and final roster. A lot of talented kids to choose from for the final roster.

Attended the DC UA tryouts last year and my son was selected to play in the final cut down game, but did not make the final UA team representing DC. Which was fair! I thought he deserved to be in the final cut down game, but did not standout well enough to make the final roster. A moral victory I guess! He is a on age, public school kid and is committed to a mid-level D1 program. It was a great event to gauge his abilities with his peers. Especially for the public school kids that aren't blessed with the daily competitive environment that the private kids are exposed to.

There were three or four preliminary games then approximately 40 kids are selected to play in the final cut down game before the final roster is chosen to represent your region. I think there were about 200 kids trying out for each team of rising 9th/10th graders and 11th/12th graders for DC.

There is no one that has a detailed lacrosse recruiting website like Xanders. Just cause you dont like him ( did your holdback kid get overlooked) doesn't mean his site isn't informative. Like all recruiting websites, he gets it right sometimes and other times, not so right.
And for Xanders to say something about overage private school players is something. That means it is out of hand as most of us can see. His main emphasis is on private schools and their players.

Sorry Mrs. Xander, didn't mean to offend your boy.

No prob. I will make sure your holdback gets a shout out next time. Promise.