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It is fair to question the long term prospects of the Dukes Nationals Model. It was formed to be a feeder to Ebe Helms Dukes Teams since the divorce with Triple H. However, the 2022 Team is in High School Next Year so do they then go onto Ebe Helms Dukes Team which leaves G's Dukes Team with as stated above a solid 2023 team that is imploding and a 2024 that sounds like a bit short of National Caliber.

No one cares about Dukes Nationals anymore, it was a good program at one point but since the management does not adhere to what they preach (accountability, communication and depth chart) as guidelines for the "Program" parents and players see the real deal and are no longer interested in spending time/money on this team anymore. Unfortunately, I think it is going to hurt the high school program indirectly and kids will want to play for other teams and not have to deal with the Dukes issues
that seem to follow teams around (Dukes South, Dukes North) were all train wrecks and it seems Dukes Nationals is headed in the same direction.

Quick question, who are the Duke's teams playing on Sunday after their clinic at Duke this weekend? Are all teams, 2025-2022 playing? And Where? Thanks!

Well this is going to sound crazy, but we actually speak with our son and make it clear that he's allowed to say if he feels like it's too much. Again, I know the whole parent/child communication thing doesn't fit what you want to frame, but I'm sorry to say that it's what we do. If you want to try to say "Oh yeah, riiiiiight!" then maybe you should take a look at yourself or whoever it is that you have such a problem with and to work on communications skills.

Regarding when "enough is enough/too much", it's a valid question for certain. And I would assume it's one that school (probably more so high school than middle school) athletes need to address. But this isn't new. Nor does it have anything to do with the sport of lacrosse and/or club lacrosse. I think that having your child learn to balance multiple challenges (school work, sports, friends, etc.) is a very critical life skill that parents should be working very hard to teach. Because, as it turns out, life only gets harder. And I feel like the coddling that so many parents are doing with their children right now is only serving to put more and more maladjusted "adults" into the world.

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Hot off the press. I just received an email from the guy that started Brotherly Love that they are going to have a National Team at 2023 to go along with there National Team 2024. Bates is the HC. That is just a ridiculously great move. Bates HC of Mid Atlantic National Team starting with the talent on Team Zeus ....I would throw up the white flag after that one.

Have fun.

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

We do, thanks!

Who Cares??? the bigger question is are the Eagles going to win the Super Bowl....

So let me get this straight. All the BL parents come on here and talk about how Zeus is a top 5 team in the nation who can beat anyone and now BL is going to create a national team that is even better than Zeus? Seriously? Is Zeus no longer a top 5 team?

Pure arrogant money grabbing BS that just goes to show you the lacrosse community has lost its collective mind.

At the expense of your son.

Big name no show like Urso, coaching at HS is too time consuming for this to work.
Plus, I'm sure the 2023's and the parents from Zeus will be thrilled with this conflict of teams.

Literally impossible for you not to sit in accusation of other parents, huh? Since words are clearly so confusing the "We" in that statement actually includes my son. Because, as I've tried (though maybe I'll have to get the crayons out to do so) to explain, we actually value his input and allow him to be an active participant in decisions like this. We have a sneaking suspicion that this will allow him to actually become a better decision maker and better equipped to handle challenges as his life goes on.

But, again, please feel free to pretend like you have any idea of what every parent of a child on an elite travel team does.

So, you've taken a poll of every parent? Stop embarrassing yourself. And work harder to comprehend what you are reading before responding next time. You make me fear for our future. This is why people should be licensed to parent. You create arrogant, entitled monsters just like yourself. Not what the world needs.

You do realize that you're talking about a lack of reading comprehension and me taking "a poll of every parent" when my post literally talked about "We" being myself, my spouse and our son. And then I told you to continue pretending like you had an idea about every parent of a child on an elite travel team.

I'm pretty sure the rest of your insane ramblings work themselves out for everyone reading after that piece of irony.

Big name no show like Urso, coaching at HS is too time consuming for this to work.
Plus, I'm sure the 2023's and the parents from Zeus will be thrilled with this conflict of teams.

Interesting Statement. My kid plays for Urso on Brotherly Love 2022 and contrary to what many thought when he committed to coaching Brotherly Love several years ago the man has been committed. He rarely misses a practice and they obviously work around his Garnet Valley Schedule but the man is there. Jesus, I remember him having hip surgery and being on the sidelines in a freakin golf cart for the whole tournament. You my friend are a hammerhead that really should not speak to what they don't know anything about.

Let me see here. Bates commits to coaching a Philly based National Team that will likely attract some of the best talent in the Philly Area at the 7th/8th grade level and he is the HC of an elite private school in Episcopal Academy that many parents would welcome enrolling their star players....Sounds pretty smart to me. Expect Episcopal to be in the top 10 Nationally within a couple of years. Give me a break, Episcopal beat might Malvern two times last year with lesser talent. When a team that is less talented goes 2-0 against the superior team, my experience is that coaching has something to do with the wins.

Interesting Statement. My kid plays for Urso on Brotherly Love 2022 and contrary to what many thought when he committed to coaching Brotherly Love several years ago the man has been committed. He rarely misses a practice and they obviously work around his Garnet Valley Schedule but the man is there. Jesus, I remember him having hip surgery and being on the sidelines in a freakin golf cart for the whole tournament. You my friend are a hammerhead that really should not speak to what they don't know anything about.

Let me see here. Bates commits to coaching a Philly based National Team that will likely attract some of the best talent in the Philly Area at the 7th/8th grade level and he is the HC of an elite private school in Episcopal Academy that many parents would welcome enrolling their star players....Sounds pretty smart to me. Expect Episcopal to be in the top 10 Nationally within a couple of years. Give me a break, Episcopal beat might Malvern two times last year with lesser talent. When a team that is less talented goes 2-0 against the superior team, my experience is that coaching has something to do with the wins.

LOL at thinking little Johnny is getting a full ride to Episcopal by playing for Brotherly Love

You must be aligned with Malvern Prep....still hurting?

Not at all thankfully there are plenty of people on this board that have been blessed professionally and aren't looking for a full ride. But you are kidding yourself if you think that the EA coaching staff isn't recruiting kids from Brotherly Love, I know for a fact they are actively pursuing at least 5 of them and that is just the ones in my neighborhood.

Wrong and no.

"I like the cut of your jib!" Are you kidding me with that esoteric dribble? What are you going to say "shiver me timbers" next Captain Ahab? Not even really sure what your position is on the commentary you agree you disagree what commentary are you citing?

Interesting, my kids went to the BL tryouts and he was excited to be a part of this team. Anyone that has ever played sports in high school and beyond can relate to this. Getting together with an all start type of format where everyone is good elevates the level of enjoyment of the sport. The passing and unselfish play that I saw at the BL tryouts was impressive. My older boy that plays for a good high school team was at the tryouts and this was his comments, "they are really unselfish and they are more skilled and move the ball better than my high school team"
Who wouldn't enjoy playing on a team like that even at the young age of 12 years old.

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

How did the Duke weekend in Durham go?

It was another great mini-camp; kids had a blast and my son enjoyed seeing the University of Duke!! Hey the game on Sunday got moved up so everyone was able to get home to see the Super Bowl!! See to the gentlemen that was upset about a Sunday Game; no issues and both kids and parents had a blast!

Oh my gosh! That's amazing! The University of Duke!

Duke University; lord this forum has turned into a complete joke. Everyone is so quick to jump on others and bring nothing but negativity. Your poor kids.