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These girls are very deserving some clearly than others. And others, without connections, who are just as good are left off each year. Though if you don't think there's some nonsense going on with politics as far as travel team, daddy's who played, elite siblings, you're only kidding yourself. There's a lacrosse "club" out there, and if you're in it, you'll be rewarded. If you're not, it's going to be a lot tougher.

You are wrong about the family comment. They do care about the parents . Apple never falls far from the tree and they'd rather not deal with that for 4 years and FYI the really good players usually come from a grounded family. The kids and parents who think they are great are the horror shows!

These girls are very deserving some clearly than others. And others, without connections, who are just as good are left off each year. Though if you don't think there's some nonsense going on with politics as far as travel team, daddy's who played, elite siblings, you're only kidding yourself. There's a lacrosse "club" out there, and if you're in it, you'll be rewarded. If you're not, it's going to be a lot tougher.

2nd team all American as a freshman from Long Island was not a UA all American or even a high school all American.

There is definitely politics in play with all these teams and awards but the cream usually rises to the top at some point.

I put more stock on the UA All American than the HS. Not all of the regional UA teams are impressive for underclassmen, but areas like NE, Balt, DC and LI are. And very hard to make. Then the senior team of north and south is The Who's who. Too many kooks in HS to get it right, but those college awards are legit.

2nd team all American as a freshman from Long Island was not a UA all American or even a high school all American.

There is definitely politics in play with all these teams and awards but the cream usually rises to the top at some point.

Or if what you say is true maybe her 2nd team all American award was political and she did not actually deserve any recognition.
More likely she excelled in college, worked really hard , developed under her new coaches and deserved the recognition. You can’t have it both ways and claim politics when she dies not get it but say no politics when she does it just makes you look jeolous. A lot of things go into those awards if she were on another college team she may not have seen the field but if she were on a different high school team she may have been a multi time AA. Just compliment the kids and move on.

2nd team all American as a freshman from Long Island was not a UA all American or even a high school all American.

There is definitely politics in play with all these teams and awards but the cream usually rises to the top at some point.

What about Ward Melville?

Good question. Why are they never one of the top programs? The boys team is in the mix every year. All of the other "Lacrosse Towns" have very strong boys and girls programs. Garden City, West Islip, Manhasset, Cold Spring Harbor even SWR has had success with both programs. I am very surprised they are not more like Garden City. GC Boys and Girls two of the best on Long Island every year. Ward Melville boys could be considered the best program on Long Island. Does not make sense to me.

I have zero direct knowledge of the SWR girls program other than they have had some very good players of recent years. To answer this question, I think two things are at play.

1. Is boy's lax and the parents are a different dynamic than girls lax and lax parents. Both have their positives and negatives. But having a successful girls program seems to be more difficult because the parents of girls lacrosse tend to have more emotion and vested concern (a little more helicopter parenting) why I am not totally sure, maybe it is a social-stigma that the girls need a voice or must be protected from all perceived threats not to mention the emotional side of girl sports and how the stigmas associated with status on the team (or perceived) the girls are more emotionally vested in. Where as the boys tend to connect that part of it and to a lesser extent feel/connect those emotions. The parents tend to be more involved and have more conflicts with coaches about lacrosse because of this than the boys.

2. The winning programs have consistency, a culture across the board and strong coaches who are able to wade this potential minefield consistently. Consistency is the key term, waiver once and makes exceptions to your rules and policies, then there is no coming back.

22 days until season starts.

You are wrong about the family comment. They do care about the parents . Apple never falls far from the tree and they'd rather not deal with that for 4 years and FYI the really good players usually come from a grounded family. The kids and parents who think they are great are the horror shows!

And I thought that I was board.

This is 100% correct

Tell me the program that will pass on a top player because one or both of the parents are a bit of a nightmare. They all say the same nonsense "we recruit families ", "we are a family" blah blah. If they think they have a cant miss layer they don't care.Heck they barely even care what type of kid they are getting as long as they can play.

Tell me the program that will pass on a top player because one or both of the parents are a bit of a nightmare. They all say the same nonsense "we recruit families ", "we are a family" blah blah. If they think they have a cant miss layer they don't care.Heck they barely even care what type of kid they are getting as long as they can play.

Happens all the time. Maybe not with the number one player in the country, but go down the list a little, you know, the very good players, say #s 25-100 in the class. Comes into play big time. Have you cost your kid offers??

Happens all the time. Maybe not with the number one player in the country, but go down the list a little, you know, the very good players, say #s 25-100 in the class. Comes into play big time. Have you cost your kid offers??

Just to put some perspective on what coaches and evaluators of recruits put a premium on, we can look at the example of last years top freshman recruit in the nation. Certainly was not scoring an overinflated amount of meaningless goals in crappy games to pad the stats. In fact she was like the third or forth scorer on her HS team. Why was she valued so high? Go watch the kid play, the eye test. Flying around with a non stop motor, making plays all over the field. You can be the "game changer" without ever scoring a goal. Here is what the stat line does not tell you. One kid can score 100 goals feasting on a weak defender or two that most of the opposing teams seem to have, yet may have 0 goals against a good defense or when her team needs a goal. Another kid may have 20 goals, but all quality goals that came in the time of need for her team. Some kids get it, and are actually embarrassed to put in 5 goals in a 20-2 beat down. Others don't get it and are happy to pile on in those beat downs, and unfortunately you get the parents buying into the numbers.

Give it a rest.

Considering the fact that there are only about 12 girls per class from Long Island who are considered Top 100 recruits I would say you are talking out of your a@$. There are probably less than 10 girls from LI any given year who are considered Top Tier (too 40-50) and I am sure they all get plenty of offers from the top programs in the country.

who said on LI ... DB parents (you) cost their kids offers all the time.

"who said on LI ... DB parents (you) cost their kids offers all the time."

You have no clue, you have kids who have been arrested, been thrown out of school, post hideous stuff online etc and they are still going to some of the hardest to get into and most prestigious schools in the country. Coaches don't care if they have a crazy parent as they will have little to no interaction with them anyway. I can tell you multiple schools that have parents with kids on the team that have felony records yet you clueless parents think " not the coaches where my little Susie is going". Wake up, if your kid is good enough to help them win they don't care that you are clueless. Just go to a summer tournament and watch the parents and it becomes obvious these programs don't care.

Your "little Susie" comments are played out. You've been using that for too long.

Top programs take anyone that can write their name as long as they help the team. Coaches walk kids in all the time. Watch the player interviews after televised national title games in football and basketball etc. its embarrassing and there are usually really good academic schools playing.

For a dead end sport like lacrosse, tell your kids to hit the library more than the wall

Top programs take anyone that can write their name as long as they help the team. Coaches walk kids in all the time. Watch the player interviews after televised national title games in football and basketball etc. its embarrassing and there are usually really good academic schools playing.

For a dead end sport like lacrosse, tell your kids to hit the library more than the wall

Top programs take anyone that can write their name as long as they help the team. Coaches walk kids in all the time. Watch the player interviews after televised national title games in football and basketball etc. its embarrassing and there are usually really good academic schools playing.

For a dead end sport like lacrosse, tell your kids to hit the library more than the wall

What a Jack A$@ you are. You call it a dead end sport yet you are on this site. Just about every person that I know has understood that the end game is to use lacrosse to help your child get into a school that they otherwise would not get into and possably get some financial help. Along the way our kids get all of the benefits that go along with competing and playing a team sport.

Our children also learn how to deal with negative, bitter haters like you. Troll

Great response .What that hater does not get is almost all sports are essentially a dead end in that very few if any will make a meaningful living doing it .The things that you can get out of playing a sport like lacrosse are essentially priceless but people like that poster will make it so they and their kid get nothing but misery from it , feel bad for their kid.

Great post. These kids get so much more out of lacrosse than you realize at first glance. At the college level, they learn responsibility, accountability,work ethic, time management, etc - all the things you want in an employee you'd hire. I'd take a 4 year college athlete over another candidate with similar qualifications every time. Isn't that what we want college to prepare them for?

Great post. These kids get so much more out of lacrosse than you realize at first glance. At the college level, they learn responsibility, accountability,work ethic, time management, etc - all the things you want in an employee you'd hire. I'd take a 4 year college athlete over another candidate with similar qualifications every time. Isn't that what we want college to prepare them for?

I run an in-demand graduate level educational program (over 1000 applications for a very limited number of seats) and I will take a college athlete in a second (assuming they have the academic credentials) over a non-athlete. They understand commitment, teamwork, communication, time management, leadership, and how to lose gracefully. This seems to be true regardless of the sport. Those are key attributes in any workplace and if they come in with them already, we are that much ahead of the game.

For any parent of a young player who may not be very familiar with women's lacrosse and the opportunities available.

To put it in perspective here are the Universities that could be considered "Top Programs".

Maryland
North Carolina
Florida
Northwestern
Syracuse
Penn State
Boston College
Princeton
Penn
Duke
Notre Dame
Virginia
Stony Brook
Navy
USC

Pretty good list of schools that are able to walk the top players in.

The best players in the country get to choose whatever school they would like to go to. Depending on their situation they can choose the right fit from the list above. If they do not like any of those schools all of the other programs will welcome a top player with open arms.

No need to fear if your daughter is not being recruited by any of the schools listed above. There is no shortage of great schools that will be recruiting her.

So if your daughter is a decent player but Maryland and North Carolina are not showing interest here are some schools that might have a spot for her.

Albany,American, Arizona State, Army, Binghamton, Boston University, Brown, Bryant, Bucknell, Cal Berkley, Colgate, Colorado, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Delaware, Davidson, Elon, Fairfield, Furman, Georgetown, Harvard, Hofstra, High Point, Jacksonville, Johns Hopkins, James Madison, Lafayette, Lehigh, Loyola, Manhattan, Marist, Marquette, New Hampshire....

Well, you get the picture.

Find for me another sport with more opportunity for young female athletes. If your daughter is a decent athlete and puts some time into the sport of lacrosse the opportunities far exceed that of any other sport.

Those are just some of the DI Schools, there are also awesome opportunities at the DII and DIII level. To say that women's lacrosse is a dead end sport is simply foolish. BTW, the majority of lacrosse parents that I know do have their kids hit the library more than the wall.

Your post was one of the more foolish posts that I have seen on this site.