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Referee called game vs Igloo with 40 seconds left after a 91md cracked a kid twice. Millon acted like he had a plan to comeback from a 4 goal deficit with under a minute to play. Such a child. ref was right. vicious slashes

Vicious slashes was probably his plan.

Lets go with both

I am curious why FLGEE isn't able to compete with top teams any longer. They seem well organized, well run and have a national recruiting program.

Suffolk communities may one to town club, but not Nassau - for the most part, town clubs are are relegated to the larger districts. Boys play PAL & club.

Don't blame USL?? You either are or you're not the effective governing body for the youth sport. USL has the trump card to move past this issue IF THEY WANT TO - they obviously chose not to. That equals weak/ineffectivess. Instead, they chose to slow walk it, and even then, there is no formal plan that effectively transitions from grade- to age-based for all by a specific date. You could let them slide if they were the first to go through this issue, but the fact remains that they are last in a long line of youth sports to address this and have all of thwt history to draw upon to do it expediently and right. That, in a nutshell, is why the blame lays with them. And, lastly, the business model argument rings hollow. Growing the sport - attracting more athletes, keeping more of the ones you have - leads to an associated business growth model as well. It may mean that some of the business players change with new entries to the market - loss of share and/or power - but there would be more money to be made for all IF you run your business right. Again, USL is letting the tail wag the dog - that is NOT an character indicative of an effective governing organization.

"Break their arms"

Okay agree to disagree, but respect your points. But what about moving forward? What about now? They have set very clear guidelines to follow. What is preventing clubs, towns and leagues from complying? I would love to at least hear PAL's opinion on this since there should be no conflicts and age is the right path to take.

USL has put out a very unspecific 'plan' ti implement age-based play - that encourages no one to do it. If no individual entity is going to do it on their own - whether they should or not is a separate discussion, but, to date, all if not most have not - then it is on the USL to move this forward. All of these league's require USL registration, IE, insurance, to participate. USL could make their policy(ies) via their carrier(s) only effective for age-based play and everyone would be forced to go that route. They could go off on their own and use other insurance acquired on their own, but they would be effectively jettisoning everything else related to USL as well.

agreed!! it seems so simple, Why have they not done this?

USL is an insurance company that has a big heart for lacrosse. They need revenue- and lots of it. They force insurance on the lacrosse community to substantiate their operations with very little in return for their customers. Their "governance" is focused on expanding the sport into new markets (read sell more insurance) and NOT on shaping policy. The sports most influential markets, Long Island and Baltimore, are relatively ignored by the organization. They are a Maryland insurance company, partnered with a Pennsylvania tournament operator, attempting to copy the got-soccer model of rankings and sanctioning, while simultaneously suggesting that the very clubs they need for their tournaments and rankings are out-of-control and detrimental to the sport. They want to control the sport yet fail to listen to the market place. If we weren't forced to buy their insurance, would they have any significance?

Didn't know such negative feelings for US lacrosse was out there. I give up on the debate. All you parents that held your kids back for sports, kudos, I wish I had at this point.

So igloo who never plays box played 91 smash who always plays box to an 8-6 game? Guess all the out of state ringers weren't available for this tournament. Igloo still the best Long Island team. Those other two(express and 91) have multiple players from out of state. Just saying....

When you reach the point of thinking you should have joined the crowd of gaming the system, you have either surrendered your values or you never had them to begin with. Values are the difference between doing what is right versus wrong because of your belief systems as opposed to doing what is right only due to the fear of being caught when doing wrong.

why not just play your birth year 04's with 04's etc.

I have learned youth lax checks their values at the door. Zero life lessons are taught. It's all about winning at all cost.

Congratulations Igloo for losing to Smash. You're #1. When you lose you should just keep your mouth Shut.

Does anybody know what happens if your school is unable to offer a JV program for lacrosse?

Not a 91 supporter actually dislike them but are you bragging about losing a game because you kept it close !!! Oh man we have hit the bottom. The actual rumor was igloo combined and grabbed some teams from other clubs please state the facts. But oh yeah we only LOST by 2 lololol ok dad

Was it the first time igloo ever played box. Maybe the team should get a BOTC runner up trophy and t-shirts for the parents

So now you are stating "the rumor is" as fact and telling others to get their facts straight. Now that's funny.

We’re (Igloo) number one for losing by two!!!!!!!
Going to be fun watching the elitist Igloo parents cry when the Smash boys toss them a beating outdoors. Then what.

Ummm . . . then you don't have a JV team, and everyone dresses for and 'plays' varsity! What alternative would you be looking for??

This is funny, thanks for sharing your thoughts on your team Igloo and those other two teams. Freaking hilarious

Funny Express won the WSYL with all Long Island players.

But their team is made up of players from 5 different states. Ask anyone on the team. Igloo is all Long Island. And yes congrats on winning that tournament. But a few weeks later they didn't get out of the first round of the millon national championship. All that is being said is they are not an all Long Island team. Either is 91

Facts: Express lost to 91MD by 1 goal overtime in quarters are Millon last summer and beat Igloo 3 times this past fall season

Is Igloo a club solely for LI players? Not understanding the pounding of the chest here. It is club lacrosse where you pay to play. My bet is if an outsider stud wanted to play for Igloo this summer he would not be turned away.

Funny choice of words “pay” “outsider” “turned away”. It was just last year that the 2022 Igloo team had a handful of players who committed to the team and whose parents paid for the year but sadly the boys were turned away from the world series because 2021 Igloo outsiders replaced them

Fact-express did not get out of the first round at millon. You can call it quarter finals. Still first round. And they beat igloo with players from all over the country. Midwest, south, north. Everywhere. No pounding of chest. Just stating facts that igloo is the best Long Island team. Didn't have to go recruit from all over just to beat igloo. Like express did. Won't put the LI in front of express since they are a national team now. Maybe they will be able to compete with dukes now and not be emabarrassed again like the last time.

How did igloo do at the World Series again? I missed that. Express has won more tourneys than any other 2022 team in the last two years. Including the original elite 8.

you contradict yourself in your own words. check tourneymachine and you will see that express went 3 & 0 in division play and lost in round of 8. favorite millon tournament memory was when igloo went 0 & 3 at the inaugural event. you should be reminded that express beat duke’s last may at the ncaa futures championship tournament. stop before you do anything else to embarrass yourself

Maybe more than any other NY team but not every 2022 team. (Annapolis)

That's because they don't let igloo in any of their tournaments. How many times can you play prime time?

Fall Jam Express 9-4 pool play and 8-7 ship (and wasn't that close) over Igloo. Was that the last time these two teams faced?

Igloo showed up to Millon National Championship with one goalie and when the kid suffered a horrendous injury, they added to their roster. That kid may have been from LI, but he wasn't on that Igloo team. At least it came back to bite Millon in the butt for not enforcing his roster rule that he was so adamant about.

From LIE: those were special circumstances and thank God that the boy is recovering. Everyone wishes him good health

WOW you're a special kind of crazy. This should not even be a statement that this kid got hurt. They did not pull a goalie and replace him with someone not on the roster. You really wanted to penalize that team because a kid got hurt and the tournament director did what was right. I guess you wanted them to pack up and head back home because that was really the right thing to do?

Ladies Ladies please give it a rest. Lets all get back to Smashing Deez Nuts!!!!!!