BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2023 - 7th Grade Fall 2017/Summer 2018

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I'm not a Tazzie, but you need to have some knowledge of your [lacrosse] if you are going to be a good pot stirrer. Very weak effort here. Everyone knows that the 2024 3V team is horrible since their best players don't play on the town team. You're a very rookie pot stirrer.

Lol, re-read the post. He is talking about 2023 3V...

Not only are you not a tazzie you're not very good at following posts, learn how to read rookie, was never about 24!!

Sorry but unless your rabil is on bandits igloo express or s2s you have nothing to say about 2023. Massive drop off as evidenced by these results. My suggestion would be to get him more training if you can afford it. [/quote]

Oh jeez - now we've brought out the, "if your son doesn't play on one of the top teams, they don't matter" [lacrosse]. These lax elitist asswipes are the other bane of the BOTC boards! [/quote]


Sorry but unless your rabil is on bandits igloo express or s2s you have nothing to say about 2023. Massive drop off as evidenced by these results. My suggestion would be to get him more training if you can afford it. [/quote]

Oh jeez - now we've brought out the, "if your son doesn't play on one of the top teams, they don't matter" [lacrosse]. These lax elitist asswipes are the other bane of the BOTC boards! [/quote] the top 4 2024 teams would bold well against the weak 2023 teams. Fact! The
reason there is more comp. in the 2023 division is because the teams are weaker. Let’s run with that for now.

Outlaws(2023) always have excuses for both teams. Some of their other age groups have good teams(2024), but 2023? PB, a overhaul seems necessary for your 2023 age group and I'm not talking about the kids!

Haven’t heard much about the SYAG team this year. I guess they finally gave up?

SYAG IS DONE . all SSC NOW .

SYAG and Sachem Sports Club merged their lacrosse programs and 6th grade is the last year. After that the North & East Clubs take over. It hasn't been very successful in IMHO. But this is big step and the current league leaders are doing a great job of righting the ship and will fix the mistakes of the past.

After all the arrogance, and chest pumping they are finally done! Many of those SYAG parents are now apart of different travel teams.

What does that mean for PAL? Same team, just under a different name?

the 2 merged . Its all SSC now so Sachem Program will be one under the SSC

Northstar just awoke from Thanksgiving day nap.

Stop... this post came out a few days ago. You're late to the game.. again. the sport has passed you by. You're history, like a dinosaur.

Confused

so is the organization.

Stop... this post came out a few days ago. You're late to the game.. again. the sport has passed you by. You're history, like a dinosaur.[/quote]


How many cliches can you fit in 2-3 sentences. Didn’t realize that a sport changed that much in the 2days it takes to respond to a post. But, I’ll stop because you told me too.

Posts getting boring, need PAL talk to get underway

I think Roslyn PAL is going to tear it up in the Spring!

Anyone going to Brine (USSSA) on Sunday, keep in mind the time changed to 9-12 at Post. Might be a little chilly.

Looking for a good box training clinic, any suggestions who runs a good clinic?

My son did box with F$G last year, very well run

What is the likelihood of them taking any 2023's? Last year I don't think they took any 2024's. Trying to decide if it is worth going to the tryout. Even if my kid did make it, it is a big time/money commitment- I am not sure I see the return on having to take a week off from work in the middle of the summer to pay for a crappy hotel to sit on a hot field in Delaware. Is it really worth it?

Do everyone a favor & stay home.

You have to love the money making scheme these programs dream up. They are saying some areas will have a pride series games that will require an additional player fee

Can't fix Stupid. WOW

Like the All American Games.. 150 for tryouts and if you make it, another 675...

Well worth it.

excellent tryout today. I think there were way more 22's. good luck to all who make it.

Do you know if they are doing a 23 and 22 team or just one mixed team with mostly 22's?

22 & 23 combined team. The format isn’t changing. The other teams being made for the different regions are all 22/23 so they won’t change it to accommodate one region. Most of the players taken when my oldest played we the top 22’s and the bigger of the 23’s.

Oh so Quiet...

What would you like to talk about?

Top 5?

5. Kit Kat
4. Snickers
3. Almond Hersey Bar
2. Baby Ruth
1. Reese Buttter Cup Extra Crunchy

Just my thoughts.

The liability will be couched in the use of a grade-base system - by virtue of using grades, USL, along with all of the other more direct parties, will have created an inherently unsafe and/or dangerous situation whereby players of disparate ages are playing against each other in a full contact sport. Further, despite USL age guidelines, there is no attempt to govern these guidelines, and any players who are more than one year above age for their grade are already in violation of the guidelines. And from practical application, no one (!) at any level attempts to validate even players' grade levels - not teams, not tournaments, not the USL. There are players playing down 2 years from their 'normal on-age' level based upon the proclamation that they "intend to" do a PG year![/quote]

As to liability issues, assumption of risk is part of the analysis. At present, parents are putting their kids on the field while having no idea how old (or young) their opponents are. So it would be hard to defend these claims with an assumption of the risk defense. There is never any disclosure as to the age of the opponents or those participating in an event. Moreover, as has already been mentioned, no one in travel lacrosse - not clubs, not tournaments - requests verification of grade or age. This appears to be negligent in and of itself. No one exchanges rosters. There are no game sheets. Youth lacrosse tournaments are completely lawless and quite seriously unlike any other youth sporting event I have ever known.

Moreover, the toxic environments on sidelines negatively affects parent's prospective of the legitimacy and transparency of the competition. Everyone just assumes that a big, fast and skilled kid must be years older, when sometimes he really isn't.

Something is wrong with a sport when teams are supposed to be at the same level, grade-wise, but almost to a man one team is bigger than the other. This NEVER happens in age based sports. You can travel up and down the east coast with your kid playing soccer, hockey and baseball, and teams from every state will have basically the same average size as every other team. Some teams will have some freakishly big kids, but its balanced out by the small kids on the team. And everyone is fine with the freakishly big kid because they know his birth certificate is on file with the national (or state) organization, his name is on the roster submitted to same, and it would be easy to determine if cheating were involved.

Youth sports certainly has a win-at-all-costs side to it, but you would be surprised at how little cheating really occurs when everyone has confidence that the rules are being followed by everyone and that there are controls in place making it likely that cheaters will be caught. Stated differently, coaches and parents that cheat in youth sports in issues of eligibility really don't want to do it. They just think they have to in order to balance out cheating done by others. Left confident that no one else cheats, coaches and parents rarely do.

I totally disagree with this post. First Kit Kat is too many pieces that means you get very little field time. That Kit is the A team but the Kat is not worth it and does not stand up to AAA level. The "Snickers" is led by parents that use too many red cups. Almond Hershey was good 10 years ago but they are only riding on reputation and brand they are now very under-rated and average for 2023 class. Baby Ruth is all name recognition and over priced very little development and need I mention the Caddy Shack event? The Reese PB cup is a solid team but how do you think they get the "Crunchy?" They rely on holdbacks some are 16 already and why did they not sign up for the world series of candy this summer? I am do not have a dog in this fight but Twix has some exiting new things on the horizon.

As to liability issues, assumption of risk is part of the analysis. At present, parents are putting their kids on the field while having no idea how old (or young) their opponents are. So it would be hard to defend these claims with an assumption of the risk defense. There is never any disclosure as to the age of the opponents or those participating in an event. Moreover, as has already been mentioned, no one in travel lacrosse - not clubs, not tournaments - requests verification of grade or age. This appears to be negligent in and of itself. No one exchanges rosters. There are no game sheets. Youth lacrosse tournaments are completely lawless and quite seriously unlike any other youth sporting event I have ever known.

Moreover, the toxic environments on sidelines negatively affects parent's prospective of the legitimacy and transparency of the competition. Everyone just assumes that a big, fast and skilled kid must be years older, when sometimes he really isn't.

Something is wrong with a sport when teams are supposed to be at the same level, grade-wise, but almost to a man one team is bigger than the other. This NEVER happens in age based sports. You can travel up and down the east coast with your kid playing soccer, hockey and baseball, and teams from every state will have basically the same average size as every other team. Some teams will have some freakishly big kids, but its balanced out by the small kids on the team. And everyone is fine with the freakishly big kid because they know his birth certificate is on file with the national (or state) organization, his name is on the roster submitted to same, and it would be easy to determine if cheating were involved.

Youth sports certainly has a win-at-all-costs side to it, but you would be surprised at how little cheating really occurs when everyone has confidence that the rules are being followed by everyone and that there are controls in place making it likely that cheaters will be caught. Stated differently, coaches and parents that cheat in youth sports in issues of eligibility really don't want to do it. They just think they have to in order to balance out cheating done by others. Left confident that no one else cheats, coaches and parents rarely do.[/quote]

Yawn...... no one cares.

Yawn...... no one cares.
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The problem is that there is no enforcement because there is not incentive for that enforcement. If USL would not allow players on the national teams or such if they played in tournaments or leagues that are non-sanctioned and there was a desire to play on these teams, then there could be enforcement. They could require cards with birth year and current grade, backed up with transcript, or just move it to birth year teams like hockey and soccer.