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They bill it as a competition to see which region is the best. However, they have two teams for LI. So they split the talent from the LI region into two teams. How does that make any sense, relative to the purpose of the games, as they describe it?? Then, they will create an additional team from each region, of the players that didn't make the team (but all too willing to pay the crazy money they are charging for the tourney). None of this makes any sense at all. It is one big $$$$$$ GRAB!!

Great reading on the MD 2024 thread. Thanks for the heads up. Didn't know it was so ingrained down there.

A better question. Anyone have any knowledge of the Brine games in VA? Based on the team rosters that were posted to their website, this is a legit "national" competition, unlike the Warrior games. But, does it really draw the top talent from all of these area's? My thinking is, at the younger ages, like 2024, it doesn't. But I don't know.

Here's a quote from the MD 2024 thread, in response to a question from a MD parent looking for a team without holdbacks:

"Yes....the bad ones. All teams in the HoCo elite divisions will have a lot of holdbacks. The other option is to drop down a level if you son is not able to get time on the elite teams. There is nothing wrong with that."

There's plenty more on the thread.

So when mad daddy tries to tell you they don't have any holdbacks, he is as slippery as they come. A real sleezeball. They have as many as any MD team. Which is a lot! Their big midi is considered the prize holdback of the whole crooked holdback scam in MD.

So, no... you definitely will not be seeing Madlax in Denver next year.

Pretty amazing, really. When you think, the top teams in ‘24 are WP, Taz, 91 MD, Bethesda and Madlax, only WP and Taz play with no holdbacks. The rest have 6 - 8, and sometimes more, holdbacks. Especially impressive for WP, as they are likely the best of the bunch. Well done gentlemen.

Except for the fact the taz beat them 6 out of last 8 games. Happy Thanksgiving!

Madlax is a VA team. And no comebacks. If you think we do, prove it. LOL at LI idiocy.

Taz is a great team, no doubt. One of the best! WP has nothing but respect for their brother LI team. But 2024 supremacy is very clear, based on the last 12 months. Just ask Eclipse...

Interesting way to look at it
WP won every tourney except one last summer
How did Taz do?
They lost to 91 MD, madlax, wp and eclipse (who wp crushed in the finals)
This falls highlights include a loss to true blue and another loss to madlax while wp tied eclipse 7th grade team and beat outlaws 23 A
5th grade is over. Taz no longer top 3 team
Time to bring back the chosen one or dial it down

So unfair the way MD teams abuse the system. Both, the dirt bag cheating parents and the cheating teams. Not like it's the exception, and not the rule. IT IS THE RULE!! All of these teams are BUILT ON HOLDBACKS. It's little kid lacrosse!! Really?!! What are they teaching their kids?? Cheat the system, every chance you get? Cheaters prosper?? What a bunch of dirt bags. The whole state.

Northern VA (or "Capital" as you like to say) is MD, in youth lacrosse, as you know.

But I do LOVE your comment... "and no COMEBACKS". That has to be the only accurate statement you have made on this website. Congrats!

Question: Rumor has it that your biggie midi holdback is going to play on-age this spring. Any truth to that?

If so, do you know what the parents motivation is?

Maybe they feel like he isn't developing, playing down, against players half his size? That does make a lot of sense.

Or maybe they feel guilty that he dominates that teams play, not allowing any opportunities for any of his team mates, and they are not developing as a result? It does appear that the coaches only game plan is to get him the ball, 100% of the time, so that seems reasonable.

Or, maybe they just feel guilty about how dishonest it is to play him down. After all, as parent, we always want to teach our kids to do the right thing.

I'm thinking maybe it's all of these things.

I kind of hope he sticks around. Seems like a very nice boy. Hope the parents get their act together, though. They appear to be a real mess.

No skin in the game, but no question WP is top team now. Not even a conversation anymore.

"Prove it". Love that comment! Hey loser from madlax, you "proved it" when you proclaimed that madlax can't go to the WSYL next year. The biggest tourney in youth lacrosse. Not sure if I ever thanked you for that tip. Well then, since I'm feeling very THANKFUL today... THANK YOU!!

Guess that whole cheating thing didn't pay off, after all, for you guys. Kinda backfired on you, huh?? Don't you know, CHEATERS NEVER PROSPER?? You should have thought that one through a little better.

Didn't Taz just handle Bethesda (who might have winning records vs wp) and handle 91md. To say not top 3 team is silly. Give credit where deserved.

Madlax won 4HHH tourney over wp
Taz won a LI tourney over WP
So fake news on winning all but one shows not a WP parent just troll.

You seriously are insane. We Madlax parents think we know who you are based in your sideline behavior. Of course we could go to Denver but that is a waste of time and money. That's why only [lacrosse] LI trophy chasing parents go there to beat up on terrible teams.

Our rosters are given to tournaments every time. You don't think they would say something? We are on grade and on age.

You need to get a life. Seriously - You are obsessed with 6th grade boys.

Not being able to go to Denver explains soooo much, Never thought about it until it was raised here.

All we have heard from you Madlax parents is how well to do you are with tales of your wealth in Fairfax County as orthodontists and bragging about employment at Camelot (must be a hedge fund). and now you are crying poverty about Denver being too costly?

Sorry no sale.

NO MD (or VA) Team has winning record vs WP. Nothing close.

Plain and simple. Denver doesn't allow cheaters.

Not a Tazzie, but I'm with you brother. Definitely a top 3 team!

Keep lying Madlax loser. We LI'ers expect nothing less from you. EVERYONE knows about your holdbacks. EVERYONE! You really think that every single team you play in MD doesn't talk about your teenage midi holdback? Read your own thread, [lacrosse]. Seriously, how many you got? I'm guessing 6. Some people say 4. Other people have it at between 6 and 8. Maybe more. Which is it??

100% top 3 team. Taz WP Madlax. Pick any order you want, doesn’t matter. Every WP/Taz game has been 1 goal either way for as long as I can remember. Last time WP/ Madlax player Madlax won by 1, even though crazy Madlax guy says they “rolled”. Bethesda does give the WP trouble, for whatever reason but WP has never lost to team 9d1 Maryland, etc, etc. All great lacrosse teams.

More fake news.

Madlax. HOLDBACK HEAVEN.

Check that. HOLDBACK H*E*L*L. 👿

Yeah, it has nothing to do with having a team full of holdbacks. Guess the orthodontist and all of the rich northern VA suburb people have fallen on hard times! It must help that all of your hold backs are Madlax scholarship recipients though right??

Fellow LI’ers. In the spirit of the holiday, let’s pass the hat for our good friends in VA to insure they have food on their tables, for all of their holdbacks. Hey, those big kids eat a lot!

MADLAXCHEATERSSCUMOFTHEEARTH

Those are the top five. Then it drops off pretty good. I'd say that Bethesda is most definitely on the bottom of that list. Not debatable, in my mind. Right now, I think you have to put WP on the top, the way they have been playing in the past 9 months. Then, I think it has to be Mad Lax, only because they always seem to give Taz trouble. And I don't think 91 MD is there yet. So, for now, it goes:

1. WP
2. ML
3. Taz
4. 91 MD
5. BLC

Pretty much agree, but BLC does not give WP any problems. WP blew them out last time they played. Not a competitive game, at all.

The last Taz/WP game was not as close as it appeared. Taz barely got the ball on offense the whole 2nd half of that game. When they did, they turned it over almost immediately. The story of the game was the Taz goal tender play. Number 11 must have had 10 saves in the 2nd half. Many from point blank range, from WP's best scorers. A "good/solid" performance from the Taz goal tender, and WP wins that game easily by at least 5. No fake news. Taz has some great players, and they are a top, top team. But at this point it appears that WP is a cut above. We'll see what happens this year.

Same reason why the [lacrosse]'s TOC has died. Just a money play to get parents desperate to win a trophy. Of course all of our families can afford. We went to real schools and got real jobs. We didn't see Stony Brook or Hofstra as anything but a toilet.

Sad that you can't take your pummeling with any grace. You should get a Madlax leg tat.

Wp is not even in top 3 maybe top 5. It’s madlax and taz and then everyone else

No skin in the game, but I do share the experience of having a son on a team with a big dominant hold back. It was a horrible experience for my son and 90% of the players on the team. This scenario went on for years, just like Madlax. For a few years the team was dominant. Won a ton of games and were tops in the area. However, the only reason why we won all of those games was because of this one kid. Everyone knew it. The parents of the team knew it. The players knew it. The competition new it. The competitions parents knew it. Everyone. It was extremely obvious. Give the ball to the big kid and let him score. Sound familiar? It's the exact same scenario as Madlax. After about 3-4 years, our team started to lose. Several teams were now better than us. Even younger teams were beating us. Why? All of the other teams were developing all of their players during this time when our team was handing the ball to the big kid. Our team wasn't developing at all during this time, because no one else did anything. Not so sure it was even good for the big kid. Yeah, maybe he gains some confidence after running over teams that are half his size, but it's not real competition for him. So, was the experience actually helping him? That's debatable. The parents finally started to complain, but it took about 4-5 years. It's better now, but still not great, since we still have the hold back. But, the size advantage has subsided some, since a lot of the kids are starting to catch up with him, size-wise. The point? Parents, don't let this happen. Don't waste this valuable time in your sons development, by allowing this Madlax scenario to continue. They are stealing your money and to add insult to injury, your son will be years behind his peers, that have not had to endure such conditions. I wish you the best. It's not easy. Good luck!

Sorry, can’t put the Pack at number one when I haven’t played anyone this year. And they have an added anyone new to the team.

Says a grown man commenting on grade school lacrosse. News flash, your kid ain't getting a scholarship. He's trash.

thats a lie was , at that game. Was good both ways . Big saves from both goalies: TAZ was up 4-0 and gave the lead away and lost by 1 in Ot. Which should not have happened TAZ scored and the Refs whistle and they called it no goal. Both teams are very good: eirher one can win on any given day . Both very well rounded. .

Taz parent, desperate to hold on

Not a pack parent but what does not adding any new players have to do with this?? Based on their history, doesn’t look like they need any new players. Don’t tell me that idiotic biggie midi daddy has reemerged.

Typical blind parent ; that sees only what you want to see: SO Sad:

Add kids? It’s important to add a B kid to your roster? All of the A kids are already spoken for.

I am so thankful my sons team made the list, I can sleep at night now. Yippeeee.

Apparently you were at a different game. Not going back and forth with you because you’re right. They are both very good teams. But, you really just disrespected your goalie by minimizing his contribution to that game. Best performance I’ve ever seen to date from a goalie this age. And then you exaggerate the performance of the offense, which there wasn’t any the second half. You are obviously a dad of an offensive player. Heard that there is a lot of strife between the parents of offensive and defensive players with Taz. Based on this, that appears to be true.

Yup. He feels it slipping away. Best days are behind them. Kinda sad, actually. Not!