BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Girls 2023 - 7th Grade Fall 2017/Summer 2018

Igloo sucks, they won one real tournament in 3 years. I wouldn't even consider them a club but rather a team. There is only one team they nurture and care about and that is daddy's team. 1-3 against TG lost at hofstra twice and national draw.

People are giving igloo credit they don't deserve. I would rank them behind thorn and wright if they weren't the only team on the island to beat TG.

Igloo beat YJ badly, that is the reason they're ahead of them. We are about to watch YJ slip even further behind TG and Igloo. The gap is growing, and it's not pretty.

fair tryout ?! really there is no such thing

Fish rots from the White hair down. Feel bad for the lemmings, they're about to walk off the cliff.

College commitments 2016-2017

YJ - 105
TG - 58
Igloo - 0

How many teams from each club make up those numbers above? My guess is:
YJ - 10
TG - 4
Igloo - 0

Numbers can be very misleading.

How does the number of commitments from a club during the 2016-2017 graduation years impact your daughter? Very odd post. Don't worry about which team is better or which club has more commitments. Just focus on your daughter. Is she developing and more importantly having fun? Enjoy watching her play. It goes way to fast.

Nobody cares. That has nothing to do with the 2023 girls. Why don’t you give us an update for this age group when they’re in 11th grade. Right now you should worry about why YJ is unable to beat at least 2 other LI teams!

commits at 2023
YJ - 0
TG - 0
Igloo - 0
all other clubs - 0
% crazy parents in age group 100.

While I get your point past results in recruiting will factor into future recruits in his age group. Have seen it too many times those couple of outstanding Igloo players will defect to one of the bigger clubs soon.

Lol! Lot's of truth there!

Best igloo players in older ages have been going to places other than YJ and TG.

Best Igloo player is coaches daughter, obviously not going anywhere. Besides they are no fans of the YJ organization. The other top girls there are happy and loyal. Don’t expect any changes.

Not that I doubt you it's just that's what everyone thinks .TG 2020 thought the same thing then a few of the loyal stab their friends in the back . It's all fun and games until recruiting is about to start then it all changes.

That could be for that age group. Pretty sure it’s different for this one. Best girls left YJ. Other Best girls have zero interest in the organization. CR has sold out to 91, which spells downhill. The talented girls are not worried about getting recruited, it’s more a matter of what school they choose, not who chooses them.

That could be for that age group. Pretty sure it’s different for this one. Best girls left YJ. Other Best girls have zero interest in the organization. CR has sold out to 91, which spells downhill. The talented girls are not worried about getting recruited, it’s more a matter of what school they choose, not who chooses them.

Are you really this ignorant or acting this ignorant .There have been many of the best players in the country who have had limited interest coming out of high school . The player that can go anywhere they choose are very few and far between and believe me your kid is not one of them . Not sure who has been filling your head with that nonsense but you need to get a clue .

We'll see about that! Since you don't know my kid, and they're a few years from recruiting, I'll worry about mine, you worry about yours!

Best Igloo player is coaches daughter, obviously not going anywhere. Besides they are no fans of the YJ organization. The other top girls there are happy and loyal. Don’t expect any changes.

Igloo is a one team club. They went to Nationals and only had a 2023 team entered. They will have limited exposure and won't be able to get into the recruiting tournament by entering one team. The coaches daughter will get recruited by attending college camps and the other players will be on the outside looking in.

Correct! YJ in a tailspin. Definitely not that good. When CR makes sweetheart deals with 91 and brings girls on the so called "A" team with out a tryout, they are in a huge decline. Her customers see it and are sick of it. YJ is a joke just like her under performing HS team. Just a stroke of luck that they won the state championship. It was definitely NOT because of her leadership or coaching ability. For example , look what happened under her leadership with her HS team in FL last year. Look at the nonsense that went on at tryouts last year at YJ. BT got scolded for not paying attention. Obviously she has no respect either.Not that it mattered, teams were pre determined. If her players respected her, none of that crap would have happened in FL. She knows it and will grab every last $$ on her way out. JOKE

Obviously without mentioning names but who are all these 91 girls that are going to YJ that is causing an uproar?? Is it even the top players from that 91 team??? From what I heard the top girls from that 91 team landed already.
So outside the goalie how many kids are realistically taking spots from the YJ A (Blue) team?? Goalie and Coaches daughter who fits in on A, but who else? The MS crew?? maybe 1 or 2 from the MS crew make the Blue team, so you are talking 3 field players and a goalie...... that's not grounds for saying 91 is taking over YJ's top team. Think of a better excuse for your kid being placed on the B or C team at YJ. 91 excuse is not valid

Whipple Fall tourney this weekend?? Any good teams playing? Any good matchups??

MS girls are B team material

There are definite rumors that it is more than 10. They will drop girls to B and make a 3rd team of most of the B team. Its ridiculous. It certainly is the demise of the program in this age group. Watch at tryouts. Teams are already determined. You will know where your daughter stands immediately with whom she is playing with. Also watch the coaches. They don't pay attention at all. Thats how you know the teams are already made with under the table deals. And there you have it. Its all who you know. Good luck!

What a waste of a post, by your standards there are zero good coaches out there. Please tell us the club your kid plays for and I can give you the same list of nonsense for them.

Absolutely correct! It’s a shame for the B team. The majority of those girls have been loyal, while the team continues to disintegrate. The smart ones left. The others stay, not sure why. They will not be moved for the most part, and if they do they ride pine. (This is an observation not an opinion) This year it is going to be a complete mess. 😫
The main problem is the best girls in the age group play for different organizations, so they are picking the best of the worst.

2023 LI lax clubs seem all fired up, predicting the certain failure of the YJ club. Would like to put YJ into context for some of you. The first HS graduating class was a 2001 team, this year I believe they are starting teams for 2027. That's 26 years of Blue teams. Nowadays these teams play out for 8-9 years, used to be less. Also some of the younger teams only have a few of those years under their belts. If you look at the top YJ teams only you end up with in the neighborhood of 200 summer seasons played. There were two seasons where TG 2020 team seemed about as good as the YJ team, a couple years now where 2023 Igloo and TopGuns seem to have an edge. 2016 TG was close and a couple years were Liberty had some teams in the conversation. So to put this into sobering context for you, out of 200 Blue team seasons played, you can point to 5-6 that they weren't considered the best team on LI. Go back to the BOTC threads from the beginning like ten years ago. Same exact predictions of the impending end for YJ. Some things never change.

All of that is great trivia, however the 2023 teams suck and are getting worse. This is all that matters currently.

There is NO RUMOR of 10 girls coming from 91 "taking" B players spots. That is your rumor, your fake news. The previous post is more accurate that perhaps the 91 goalie, new coaches daughter and potentially others if they can play! Also...ALL "tryouts" have a Significant level of predetermination (including JV & Varsity & Team USA) as it is a players body of work over a season or two or three that has already given everyone (coaches & parents) a clear indication of what the player can truly do in all situations. To think that what a player does for a hour Should give them the "chance"
to make the A team for any club is absurd! Anyone can look good or bad for that fleeting moment. It's either truly nieve or faux nievity to clammer for a FAIR tryout so the true, loyal B player can have that shot. The better players will find their way to the top team for any club, it just might take a little more time to be seen.

Sorry but your history is off. TG 2016 was never considered a top team while YJ was best team in the country for several years . I believe the 2019 age may be close.

The best girls in 7th grade now will not be the best girls in 11th grade. Some of the best girls will be starting to play this year. Coaches take strong, fast, and tall girls and spend the time to develop stick skills. A tiny 7th grader with great stick skills will no longer get to goal. I don't care how many privates she did or clinics she went to. Goalies catch up, defenses get better, and speed and size will rule in the years to come. It doesn't matter what team wins in 7th grade. If you could predict how these girls will grow and develop, then recruiting rules would have stayed the same forever.

YJ lost to both TG and Igloo by a goal at NATIONALS. Against TG they lost by one goal after a 7 minute stall ( post stick check by the referee ) and Igloo on a goal in the last 10 seconds .That's a fact. Igloo beat them pretty good the second game. Yj was playing with 1 midfield line and ran out of gas and they took full advantage as any good team would. TG is not the best team on LI at that age group. Right now it's Igloo. They proved that in Richmond .

True, was trying to dish out a little bit of credit, but you are correct, so skew the number a little further towards my point, out of 200 Blue teams seasons played, you can point to 4-5 that weren't considered the best team on LI.

[quote=Anonymous]YJ lost to both TG and Igloo by a goal at NATIONALS. Against TG they lost by one goal after a 7 minute stall ( post stick check by the referee ) and Igloo on a goal in the last 10 seconds .That's a fact. Igloo beat them pretty good the second game. Yj was playing with 1 midfield line and ran out of gas and they took full advantage as any good team would. TG is not the best team on LI at that age group. Right now it's Igloo. They proved that in Richmond .

TG has a winning record against Igloo 3-1. And the one loss was on a last second goal.

Ummm.......Don't think so. TG beat Igloo 2x to win National Draw, and won 4-1 to win LI Classic. (yeas they lost by a goal in final seconds during pool play). Nice try though!

[quote=Anonymous]2023 LI lax clubs seem all fired up, predicting the certain failure of the YJ club. Would like to put YJ into context for some of you. The first HS graduating class was a 2001 team, this year I believe they are starting teams for 2027. That's 26 years of Blue teams. Nowadays these teams play out for 8-9 years, used to be less. Also some of the younger teams only have a few of those years under their belts. If you look at the top YJ teams only you end up with in the neighborhood of 200 summer seasons played. There were two seasons where TG 2020 team seemed about as good as the YJ team, a couple years now where 2023 Igloo and TopGuns seem to have an edge. 2016 TG was close and a couple years were Liberty had some teams in the conversation. So to put this into sobering context for you, out of 200 Blue team seasons played, you can point to 5-6 that they weren't considered the best team on LI. Go back to the BOTC threads from the beginning like ten years ago. Same exact predictions of the impending end for YJ. Some things never change.

Silly post. How many travel clubs existed in 2001 ? YJ and Liberty. The landscape has changed and there are many new clubs taking talent that would have ended up YJ diluting the younger YJ teams. YJ used to have 3 strong teams per age group. Now they have one. The 2023 Gold is lucky to be in the top 8 teams on LI in the age group.

What if your daughter is already a tall, athletic, multi sport athlete who is dominant at this time, and works hard at it every day? Then what is your prediction?

BOTC instant classic - "faux nievity" - what the heck is that supposed to mean?

[quote=Anonymous]The best girls in 7th grade now will not be the best girls in 11th grade. Some of the best girls will be starting to play this year. Coaches take strong, fast, and tall girls and spend the time to develop stick skills. A tiny 7th grader with great stick skills will no longer get to goal. I don't care how many privates she did or clinics she went to. Goalies catch up, defenses get better, and speed and size will rule in the years to come. It doesn't matter what team wins in 7th grade. If you could predict how these girls will grow and develop, then recruiting rules would have stayed the same forever.

Your Magic 8 ball tells you the best 7th grade girls won't be the best in 11th grade. Nobody can predict the future on how girls will grow and develop other than you based on your first sentence. The best players haven't started playing yet? Completely false that used to happen not anymore lets see where all these new stars land at tryouts. Size and speed will rule? How about other intangibles like lax IQ, heart, hustle, work ethic I guess that doesn't matter. And if size and speed will rule in the years to come why don't they rule now?

Thanks for making my point! Thats exactly why its foolish to say 91 girls should be on the A team with out a tryout. As you said "Anyone can look good or bad for that fleeting moment. " thats why its a joke that the 91 girls go right to A. All politics. 91 buys YJ in a hush hush deal. Unfortunately people cant keep their mouths shut and the cat is now out of the bag.