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Yes...and thank you! Oh and I couldn't agree more...please stop obsessing over other people's children. They are none of your concern.

AHHHHHH your kids and these kids play with my kid so how is it not related.
Ok lets make it real simple You and me lets race. But I get to start the race today and you have to wait 18 months before you get to start running.
Ready GO!!

Other people's children are not your concern! Your child is your concern. If you chose to let him play and you know there may be older kids on the field...that is your choice.
You as a parent chose to sign your child up to play lacrosse, you pay for it and yes...you even come to the games! That is your choice as a parent of your child.
What is none of your business is another child's age, weight or school of attendance! This is none of your business. Just because you chose to sign your child up for a sport and you don't agree with the rules, does not give you the right to impose on a child you may feel is older than your child. I will tell you how this is a fact! If you were to walk up to a parent of a child and ask them for their child's birth certificate, they would say it's none of your business. Meaning, it's none of your business. If they were doing something wrong or illegal than that would not be OK! Just because you think it is wrong...doesn't make it wrong. If you feel so strongly about it then you shouldn't put your child in that situation. You do have to register to sign your child up for this sport you are complaining about. I keep repeating it so maybe it will sink in. As a parent you chose to let your child play on a field knowing there are older kids. If you do not agree with it than you should not allow your child to play! That is your concern. Should you or should you not let your child play knowing you don't agree with it? That is your only right as a parent...

The funny thing is you think I am concern about his well being on the field. He holds his own just fine. And you are correct he is pushed and it makes him a better player. But I am also not a punk push over who just lets people walk over his son. I mean with your logic they had rules about water fountains and where we could sit on a bus. People just should of kept to themselves and just followed the rules as written and never spoke up or out about that. I agree these two things do not compare but when you demand peoples silence on a clear broken system what else can I say. I think the people on my side would just like your side to say " yes we are working the system to screw your kid and help my kid" I would respect that guy way better then your punk a$$ excuses.

You would probably F that up somehow too, like how you F up this argument.
Oh, and the race wouldn't be by age, it would be by grade, so we'd start at the same time based on the school calendar.

I am not concerned with your respect. I think you are out of line talking about other people's children. I think a fine line is being crossed about fact vs perception. You're judgment is very cloudy! You are sort of getting it....the riding on the bus scenario was not a choice. That is example someone being repressed for nothing other than the color of their skin. meaning they did not have a choice.
So my point is.. you make the choice to put your child on a team...knowing there are older kids! Why are you complaining?

You just failed at arguing. Silence, please.

This might be the worst analogy ever

No, those kids don't play with your kid. They play on one of a few upper elite teams in the grade. Your kid plays on a different team in a lower bracket. Those kids will never see your kid on the field.
For the race, can it be a long walk off a short plank, except just let me go first after watching you continue to muddle through this argument, please?

Please, please just STFU. You sound like total trash....trash that is simply too inept to understand the landscape of this sport. All you can do is get your fat face red, curse and call foul...simply because that is ALL your feeble brain is capable of. You need to stay in your lane...the SLOOOOW lane...and stop driving your 82 Ford Escort in the fast lane ranting to your poor kid and family about all the Lambo's honking and passing you by with that middle finger up!!!

YOU are ALL that is wrong with this sport and this country. Now..about face and go away...you're dismissed!!!

Let's make it easier for you, so you don't have to burn yourself out trying to over-analyze and over-explain. All of those kids will have productive HS Varsity and some level of College lax careers, so it doesn't really matter how or why they got there, how or why eligibility rules are what they are, or how many birthday parties they have had. If a College is interested in you, it matters zero if you did pre-first, repeated a grade, wore a blue collared shirt on Thursday, or had eggs for breakfast on Tuesday - they are just interested, because they like your play and think you can fit in their system. Reading you droll on about months, Summers, whether they packed lunch in Kindergarten, birthdays, I mean you could count leaves on a tree, send out a report to the anonymous lax forum, and spark more interest. Let it go honey, let it go.
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I think you are missing the point. How did they gain this interest you are speaking of? They where aloud to shine and excel playing kids 18 months younger? We can agree the system puts kids in Grad years. So if you are 18 months old for this grade you have a mathematical advantage every time you are on a field. I agree you still have to be a great player. But if you got 80% more playing time from 3rd grade tell 10th grade because you where 18 months older this is the issue. Yes this is crying of a broken system but truth is truth.
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The argument above that these players gained an advantage in the recruiting process because they were older doesn't hold water since the FCA players that were on the inside lacrosse list played with the 2019 class (3 with FCA and 1 with Crabs) until the 19s went to high school. These 2020s committed because were noticed by college coaches as rising 8th graders playing with kids "18 months older".

I think you are missing the point. How did they gain this interest you are speaking of? They where aloud to shine and excel playing kids 18 months younger? We can agree the system puts kids in Grad years. So if you are 18 months old for this grade you have a mathematical advantage every time you are on a field. I agree you still have to be a great player. But if you got 80% more playing time from 3rd grade tell 10th grade because you where 18 months older this is the issue. Yes this is crying of a broken system but truth is truth.
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The argument above that these players gained an advantage in the recruiting process because they were older doesn't hold water since the FCA players that were on the inside lacrosse list played with the 2019 class (3 with FCA and 1 with Crabs) until the 19s went to high school. These 2020s committed because were noticed by college coaches as rising 8th graders playing with kids "18 months older".

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EXACTLY!!!!!!

Paper classes for everyone at UNC! Woo hoo! Life is grand.

1. We should all acknowledge that be on the older side of a particular class is advantage, whether because a kid was born Sept 2001 or August 2001.

2. There are a some kids that made this "controversial" list that were born in the fall of 2001. Ironically 2 are BL players. If we are to champion these kids as overcoming the "burdens" of competing as "on-age" players we can't simultaneously call kids born sometimes a few days or weeks earlier as "cheaters"

3. The double hold-back is a myth. Not to say it has never happened but nobody can point to any player, past or present and conclusively point to such a kid. An anonymous posting that my kid talked to another kid at a showcase who said he was 17 as a freshman is not proof. There is a kid on the list that was ridiculed as such on this forum and his bday was published on the UA roster as spring 01. Old for a 2020 but not a double hold back.

4. Most of the kids competed and made contributions on varsity teams as 15 year old freshman or just turning 16. They played against kids that were obviously up to 4 years older.

5. This isn't new. Under the former U15 rules kids who were held back just got a second year at u15 while most of their peers were freshman in HS. I was a 17 year old in the fall of my freshman year. The only reason a resented it was that I got my drivers license later than most and I had to use a fake ID until senior year of college.

6. We're talking high school. I agree that youth should be by age. But HS and HS club is never changing and there's no reason to. Complaining about the relative ages of some guys opinions of the best HS is pointless

# 6 is why all the vitriol is out there. HS is and has always been by grade. Youth used to be and should be by age. Now it is by grade with only select ( holdbacks/prefirsts) being able to take advantage of it. Not fair or right. Big argrument was recruiting going on at 9th grade. Thats gone..its 11th grade now. But grade base continues on at youth level

so why is this issue discussed on a 2020 page?

# 5 Freudian slip - 17 when you were a freshman. LOL

One of the kids on the list drove his moms Audi Q7 to the UA games at Towson without his parents in the car. 16 1/2 before he starts his sophomore year. There were kids on those 2020 UA teams that were 14. Nah - no advantage there - nothing to see here - it's high school.

Agree. UA is ridiculous now with the amount of older kids making teams. Even Ty Xanders tweeted something needs to be done about this issue with UA. UA is not HS team with 4 grades.. UA is supposed to be some allstar game of HS players for two grades at a time. Problem is that it is not pure HS with 4 grades where things seem to even out. . You have teams Balt/Philly/DC/NE loaded with 11th grade aged kids playing against 10 grade aged kids on many other teams. LI seems to be the exception that is able to compete against the older teams.

You described a really early birthday holdback and a really late birthday non-holdback. What's your point? On average, private school classes are a year older than public. You pointed out a couple kids on the wide edge of each spectrum, rare, but naturally going to exist. It's still just repeating one grade, which is common practice. Some of these kids are not too bright, so it's not a bad decision by parents. You know public parents would do it more if the curriculum was readily available. Private schools aren't going to go backwards, and government is not going to go forward, so this is what you get. I've never seen a petition going on at a lax event, so I guess just whine on here if that makes you feel better.

The description above would not occur if youth lacrosse were age based across the board. The age based/rec league vs grade based elite league mentality is counterproductive. Hopefully the early recruiting rule change slows down the reclass game. It's a blot on the sport that hinders lacrosse from ever being more than a niche sport that rich white kids play.

18 months !!!!!!!!!!

My son is May of 2001. He is a junior in HS and will play varsity for the second year. Second highest scorer on the team. I must have done something wrong. He could be winning HOCO. LOL

Not a slip. I was talking about college not HS. My point was there were these age dependencies back in the 80s and 90s as well. I played lacrosse in hs and college and was young for my grade. I don't remember ever thinking I was at some big disadvantage other than those 2 social markers of driving and legal drinking .

I applaud the kids who would make an UA team at 14. I bet their parents and coaches never filled them with the ideas that they couldn't compete with older kids.

BTW I'm not trying to justify my own decisions. I have a 2018 born in July 2000 and 2020 born in Feb 2002

Why are you guys talking about reclassed kids for a HS team? It doesn't matter. College recruiters don't care. The only ones who care are dads whose panties are on too tight.

Yes it would have. If you turn 16 as freshman means you turned 15 as 8th grader which means he would have eligible for u15 in 8th.

#3 is no myth. Double holdback on FCA

read previous posts... not a double holdback on FCA

Correct there is no or very few kids 24 months older then the youngest kid but how many kids are 18 months older then the youngest kids? Lets see if people can tell the truth to this question?

You are an idiot. Your son is now a sophomore. What do you do when at HS games - run on the field and insist that no Jr or Sr be allowed to play?

Before grade based youth teams, they were age based with a 2 year band. My son was always on the top team, and that mean every other year he was playing against some guys who were 12-18 months older.

You might as well buy your kid a bubble suit.

Just because you say it anonymously on the internet does not make it true. If he is then we'll know in few years when he can't play sports as a senior. If you know his bday has him turning 19 before senior year call him out to MIAA brass if he's playing. Rules are rules.

They posted birthdays on the UA team this year, so you can look it up in about 10 seconds. No need to do pretend waiting. Held back one time in ms. Spring '01 birthday. This one always comes back up to exaggerate a narrative.

If you are still worried about holdbacks in High School, your kid's meaningful involvement in this sport has now passed. Have some fun with the little bit of ball your kid has left, but feel absolutely free to stop worrying about the big picture stuff.

Where was that at?? It wasnt on their website??

When your kid is driving himself and his buddies to the Under Armour games without a parent in the car before he starts his sophomore year THAT is a significant advantage. It allow the parents a lot of more free time to reminisce about all the times they got to watch their son beat up on younger kids. Ahh... pure joy.

It was on UA 2016 rosters when they 1st came out but they deleted them. Probably because of all the chatter on this forum

They stopped posting DOBs because it was too embarrassing

Rather, probably because of all of the stupid emails they were getting, just annoyance, rather than embarrassment. It was by grade, so posting birthdays would be as relevant as posting hair color. It's universally know that private school kids are going to be a year older on average, so other than crying points when we win, or rallying points when we lose, it's just not relevant. HS and College don't go by age, except with some cap regulations, so we might as well be talking about the the weather or paint drying.

Nope, just means they weren't following the guidelines of their provisional driver's license, and you are a tattle-tail.

Between the a and t.

You don't get a license in Maryland until you are 16 1/2. Try again.