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This is UNACCEPTABLE language and should be deleted. Not cool at all.

This is UNACCEPTABLE language and should be deleted. Not cool at all. Why would the administrators even allow this to be posted.

Maybe they got burnt by Gonzo et al as well!!!

Everyone gets burnt by Gonzo eventually. You'll see.

Can someone please explain how authentic the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart is? How is it possible that someone can miss 9 Mini Camps in a row, yes 9 and a game against Long Island Express an never move from the #2 Attackman? Gonzo you have truly out done yourself with your BS. Stay away from Gonzo and Dukes Nationals all lies.

That is a reoccurring question because the statement has been made about accountability and attendence.

Remember this. "If your not here , your not here". Lol, The father must have pictures of Gonzo.

Must be just like the Coach's son. Dukes Nationals Daddy ball. I'm sure Gonzo has a good reason. The whole Dukes Nationals is about the Depth Chart. Don't worry as soon as there is a tournament they won't play and be replaced by a complete stranger. Sounds right to me. Just wait for the repeat calls, emails and text to hurry and pay for surprise new fees. Oh and the Academic Awards Banquet

Is he better than the kids below him?

You are totally correct

What age group?

2024

2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 all the same crap with Dukes Nationals and Gonzo.

He's back... the obsessed Gonzo and Dukes hater. Please start your own thread. "Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world" If you don't like it, start something on your own, create something, build something... get off your as* and make a positive contribution...

Here is Gonzo again trying to write in 3rd party (as always) like he is a parent of a player. Once again self promoting because no one will support Dukes Nationals on behalf of this lying cheat. Signed your, ""Philly area miserable fathers with nothing positive to contribute to the world"

Here is the deal, if you are only going to base the depth chart on talent that is perfectly fine. The issue is it has been stated time and time again (verbally and in writing) to parents and players about accountability and attending every, if not, the majority of mini camps. If you arent going to follow through on the statement, dont make it in the first place. Oh wait I know why, parents wouldnt spend $$ every month on the minicamps and the monthly cash flow would cease.

All you do is attack him with no proof that what he's saying is false. Who in the [lacrosse] would like it if what he's saying is true? I appreciate hearing people's perspectives. Stop trying to censure.

All you do is attack him with no proof that what he's saying is false. Who in the [lacrosse] would like it if what he's saying is true? I appreciate hearing people's perspectives. Stop trying to censure.[/quo

Not true for 22 23 and 25 those kids have been there regularly. No idea about 24? But if the kid at 24 is better I'd expect him to be ranked higher. Like it or not ability will be the #1 factor.

Why are there kids posted on the Dukes Nationals Depth Chart for 2023 that are not even on the team anymore?

Gonzo has done that before. He is always trying to make his DN program seem bigger than it is. It's not the first time. Im glad we left.

Here it is in a nutshell, from personal experience over a yr and half with kid in program, depth chart is total [lacrosse]!!! It is not followed, honored, or remotely reflective of team talent. Everything posted about outside kids brought in is completely accurate. Chart is Nothing more than a tool to keep kids motivated to keep coming to mini camps and to pay for tournament fees. Some parents appear to have a positive spin on the program and I say good for you!! However the overwhelming majority of parents on my kids team were not happy with the way things were operated and decided to leave. The turnover is tremendous, not exactly a positive for the organization.

Exactly! (this is the dad that is accused of being gonzo all the time). More kids don't make it than do. Therefore, more unhappy people than positive posters (let alone the nature of this forum). I have noticed and my son has experienced movement up and own the depth chart. If someone has a better clinic or game, so be it. The best player is not always on top. The players who played best are. Its a system you aren't used to. Like the real world. Just bc you "pay your fair share" doesn't mean something is handed to you. Wake up and earn it every day. That is what happens at Dukes. If you don't like it, pay your $2000 for club and complain about equal playing time.

Not Gonzo, again (as always). What is great about this thread, is that clearly Dukes is doing a great job servicing a small sliver of the lacrosse population- the players that are really good. Otherwise, you would be posting on HHH or BL or Sons or someone else's page. The fact is, you only attack the relevant and successful clubs. On other state's pages, its the crabs or 91, or LIE ... in philly the top club is clearly Dukes. So keep posting away, sharing your anger, etc. It only proves they are doing something worthwhile - they have something you are not included in.

If you think the Dukes are Philly's too club you need to get Gonzo/Ebe's balls off your chin and check the time stamp on your post. It's 2017, those days are gone.

Dukes Nationals Double Holdback, ReClass, PreFirst, Club of them all. Can't win without them and they know it. Kids can't play on age so next the will be playing against preshoolers. Parents would like to see their kids beat players crawling around in pampers. Dukes Nationals is a very good club if you like to see that kind of thing. Great job Gonzo.

Dukes are the top club. Their HS teams are great and the Nationals are really the only middle school aged teams that are consistently winning games outside of the state. Our Freestate team is fun and local but we don't do well against MD and NY. The Sons are a mess. Mesa and HHH are ?? BL and NXT are glorified town teams. There simply aren't enough good kids to be competitive for all the average clubs we have. In HS at least we get all the good kids at Dukes and they can compete. I just checked the time stamp and your right, it is 2017 and nothing has changed in Philly except the Dukes added younger age groups and are bringing some quality to MS lacrosse.

I just looked and the Dukes are the only club in the Philly forum with their own thread... so if they aren't our top club they are at least our most talked about.

Gonzo hater, Dukes doesn't make the age groupings for tournaments. Tournaments do. Tournament brackets are sorted by graduation year. Dukes is sorted by graduation year. Parents sign their kids up by graduation year. The kids don't pick what age they play, they play by the rules that are out there. Keep your venom and energy on Gonzo and not the kids. The kids are just kids that want to play on the best teams they can with other great players. They easily grasp what eludes you.

This is pretty accurate.

Spoken like a true cheating Holdback parent... Loser. I'm sure you held them back because of the academic challenges the simpleton was having in school, or was it they socially couldn't handle it so they had to stay back, or was it your boy just couldn't keep on the field and play with his peers (that sounds about right). Don't worry son you are GREAT just as long as you are playing with the little kids, and mommy and daddy will make sure of it. That's right that's real life. "If you can't compete just repeat." And Again, And Again. You'll get it son.

Dukes HS is not a top club anymore. 1 team left.
@ Naptown:
2018= 4-1
2019= 1-4
2020= 1-4
2021 didn't play, but they are even worse.

Both 2019&2020 lost to gloried town team- Freedom

Hey this is not gonzo guy, can you explain how kids who aren't on the team or depth chart wind up playing in tournaments along side your kid. If the system works like you claim it does than those kids should be at mini camp being evaluated for their talent like everyone else, otherwise what's the point of a depth chart, it goes against everything gonzo preaches. My kid doesn't expect anything to be handed to him but he sure deserves to be rewarded for his efforts...and let's be real, same daddy coaching nonsense as everywhere else, but at least those coaches aren't stupid enough to create a depth chart that blatantly exposes their shadiness. And yes many people have left for this exact reason, gonzo thanks you for your continued $2000 contribution however

If ability is the #1 factor that's fine but I did not read that as his complaint... his complaint was that he was told one thing and another thing was done. That is called bait and switch and is unacceptable. I have no problem with ability being #1 but don't tell people that attendance at camp is a deciding factor if it's not.

Spoken like a true cheating Holdback parent... Loser. I'm sure you held them back because of the academic challenges the simpleton was having in school, or was it they socially couldn't handle it so they had to stay back, or was it your boy just couldn't keep on the field and play with his peers (that sounds about right). Don't worry son you are GREAT just as long as you are playing with the little kids, and mommy and daddy will make sure of it. That's right that's real life. "If you can't compete just repeat." And Again, And Again. You'll get it son.

Such anger you have towards the Dukes. You bash their coaches, their parents and now the kids. #sad The kids and parents there are happy- and that is what bothers you the most. Their happiness contributes to your misery. #poetic

Gozo- dukes is the top club in the Philly area and their 2019, 2020, and 2021 teams went a combined 3-12 at Naptown (a decent but not great tournament)? Please justify and please give refunds to families that paid for the banquet.

Checks were being issued "today" in an email dated 9/13. Like I said before, when you get the check, hurry up and cash it. That is if you ever receive the check in the first place.

Well said. The depth chart is complete BS. It's a monthly exercise completed to keep the kids in line and to keep them coming back to the minicamps, keeps cash flow positive. The below the travel line video is great to watch, it should be updated to say, to that player keep hope in one hand and daddy's credit card in the other.

Someone should keep track over the next year and see if any kid below the travel line ever makes it above

Anyone ever take a look at the Dukes rosters on the website. about 60 for the 2018, 50 for 2019, 30 for the 2020. More being added this month to 2019 and 2020.