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So being coached by the best player in the country and Tewaaraton award winner doesn't compare to igloo......your not serious are you.

yes, relating to kids is the most important piece of teaching and communicating. Dictating and having your best three kids win games by going to goal is not getting your money's worth.

[quote=CageSage]The pricing and package information for the Long Island Top Guns Girls Program follows.

Graduating Years: 2013 � 2018, 2011 Annual Fee is $1100

Payment Includes:

Tournaments : 5 Guaranteed SUMMER Tournaments
This fee does not include fall or winter tournaments and/or leagues

Practices : 10 Team Practices

Coaches : World Class Coaching Staff, Two Coaches per Team
Each team will be over seen by Shannon Smith and Lacey Vigmostad

Uniform : Team Uniform / First Year Bag is Included / Sweat Shirt Recruitment

Each player will have a chance to be guided through the process, have the ability to make a player profile and make meetings with the coaches to go over questions you may have.

PAYMENT SCHEDULE

Payment 1 : $200 September 13th, 2010
Payment 2 : $200 December 1st, 2010
Payment 3 : $200 February 1st, 2011
Payment 4 : $250 March 1st, 2011
Payment 5 : $250 May 1st, 2011

**** ALL PAYMENTS ARE NONFEFUNDABLE ****

Best players almost never turn into best coaches, there are an endless list of examples

yes, relating to kids is the most important piece of teaching and communicating. Dictating and having your best three kids win games by going to goal is not getting your money's worth.

Funny......not good if other kids are told go to goal........I guess its ok if its your kid being told go to goal.

Please list the endless examples. Remember on BOTC please back-up "your facts" with facts.

Dead on assessment and it's not necessarily the best three players, it's the favorites.

Funny......not good if other kids are told go to goal........I guess its ok if its your kid being told go to goal.

I just saw this from 6 or 7 years ago. $1100 for 5 summer tournaments. What is it now? I'm guessing it has outpaced inflation just a little bit.

$1450 for 5 tournaments and 20 practices.

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

SS plays to win at all costs, she believes that's the best way to market the club, if you're not the go to goal kid your irrelevant to her. Many competitive games the bench is very short with 5-7 kids not playing at all - this includes showcase events that don't have a championship format. So if you're willing to drive down to Maryland or Virginia and watch your daughter ride the bench in half the games then it's all good, but being one of the three go to goal kids would be better...

LOL, but probably very accurate

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Wow is right, you bench sitters need to find a different sport. You couldn't be more wrong. But I guess disgruntled players make up this kind of crap at all the clubs. My experience is very different from what your experience is. Club lacrosse is a dog eat dog world. You need to perform to be on the field.

Wow is right, you bench sitters need to find a different sport. You couldn't be more wrong. But I guess disgruntled players make up this kind of crap at all the clubs. My experience is very different from what your experience is. Club lacrosse is a dog eat dog world. You need to perform to be on the field.

You sound more bitter than the "bench sitters". You are either a Smith or your daughter is one of the "three go to goal girls". There is lots of crazy on these boards but if something pops up enough there is usually a grain of truth to it. Disgruntled players don't "make this crap up at all the clubs"...on other forum threads the complaints are different. These are pretty specific to TG. When reading some of these comments, I couldn't believe the similarity to our experience. TG attracts talent, granted everyone can't be a superstar, but anyone can witness the behavior/comments of SS or BS on a sideline. There was a lot more in the original comment than about playing time...it addressed how the girls are spoken to and it anticipated that someone like you would make your comment. Seems like there are lots of disgruntled people at all the clubs so I guess it is a matter of pick your poison. I repeat, anyone can come witness a tournament & see how SS, BS, & AS behave and see the truth in the above statement.

If you're so unhappy, stop complaining and go somewhere else....if they will have you. If you do , I'm pretty sure you'll be making the same complaint. Sadly lacrosse is a shark tank!

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

[quote=Anonymous]Let's list some SS facts: Her best years at Hofstra were her 1st and 3rd years, primarily the previous coaches recruits. Hofstra has been 11-21 the past two seasons. She has had had trouble retaining girls with several girls leaving the team last fall season and has been continuously criticized for her inability to relate and form relationships with her players. Now that her team has had two years with entirely her own recruits she has had two losing seasons. Unfortunately successful coaching at any level requires the ability to form interpersonal relationships with your athletes, relate and inspire them, and ultimately earn their respect. There is a difference between fear and respect and you should never confuse the two. Good coaches earn their players respect, SS on the other hand is feared. Don't believe me, ask any TG player if they are afraid of here and the overwhelming majority will say they are afraid of her.

Her club teams have encountered some problems from a player retention standpoint. Her last strong class of multiple high level top program commits were probably 2016, (though 2020 has had a good start). She is inappropriate on the sidelines often when addressing these young athletes, saying things that comes out callous, and she should try to preserve some of these girls self esteems and help build self confidence instead of tear it down (here come all the kool-aide drinkers, who are going to say your daughter isn't tough enough, but would you let some punk on the street verbally abuse your daughter? then why would you let a person in a coaching/authority role do it?) and it is obvious that though she works for a University, and claims to teach young people athletics and everything that is supposed to go with that (the virtues or sportsmanship, hardwork and respect) she is a poor excuse of any sort of educator.

You can see the disfunction of the father/daughter relationship and the resentment build in this woman. She has little passion for the game left, the only passion is for the survival of the brand to support the people feeding off of it. The father runs to his truck between games to avoid any interaction with parents or players cause as he has expressed many times he hates parents, and they know nothing. In his mind there is only one way and that is the Smith way. And AS....well we will leave that for another time.

Hofstra was 8 and 8 this year playing 5 ranked teams beating Towson. Not exactly a losing Season JERK!!! I understand it's not great, however check out the strength of schedule. They had many good freshmen on the field last year with a few good ones coming in this year. Let this year play out... I'm predicting a winning season and a spot in the conference playoffs. Let's re visit this in February of 2018

Just leave quietly while the rest of the top gun families do the happy dance. Ding dong the cancer is gone!! My daughter is on the 2020 team and she would kill on the field for for SS. Get your facts straight!! You morans are ruining your kids and I only hope their new coach can teach your uncoachable kid a little lax iQ.. we laugh at you and your facts! Bye bye see you at a tourney ooo wait we won't because you won't be at any competetive tournaments.. #benchwarmersgotogoalmykidsbetterthsnyours2020

It is a little tough to hammer her on her coaching career at Hofstra so far. She has been there (5) seasons. Keep in mind that her first season was 2013. At that time most of the top talent was already committed by 10th grade (class of 2016) and in some cases by 9th grade (Class of 2017). In my mind her first true class is the freshman from this past year's team. It looks like she has some good talent from that grade and next years freshman class is still TBD. Add to that a very successful SB team at almost a third of the cost as well as better academically, other top flight talent does not stay on LI, great D2 talented teams on LI...etc. Recruiting at Hofstra is difficult. You need to create a winning/successful program like SB and the recruits will come. I think we would all like to see LI girls have success on the next level.

TG 2016 class was a strong group of girls, no doubt. I do not think the 2017's were strong but the 2018 team is very good. They are not in the top 3 (YJ, M&D, Skywalker) but they are easily in the next one or two teams to follow. 2019 is also a strong group, probably in the 5 to 10 range. The problem TG has is that they are not as strong as YJ when it comes to college recruitment. Therefore some of the better talent end up moving to YJ after a couple of years. That to me is the one issue they need to address, although sometimes getting rid of those parents is better for all anyway. In reality though they are still by far the second best option on LI and many girls do go onto to top lacrosse as well as academic institutions. As far as coaching...they cannot win. People come on here and complain about college girls coaching that are always on their cellphones...but on the other hand when SS coaches she is too hard on the girls. As you can see they will never make everyone happy.

Everyone need to make a choice that is best for them. But, let's stop all the bashing because you feel like somehow you and your daughter were wronged. Hopefully you are in a better and happier place so move on. You can go to the YJ thread and find the same crap on there. I can tell you we enjoy our TG experience and have met some wonderful people. Best of luck to your daughter(s)

SS plays to win at all costs, she believes that's the best way to market the club, if you're not the go to goal kid your irrelevant to her. Many competitive games the bench is very short with 5-7 kids not playing at all - this includes showcase events that don't have a championship format. So if you're willing to drive down to Maryland or Virginia and watch your daughter ride the bench in half the games then it's all good, but being one of the three go to goal kids would be better...

Not really an impressive year.

Lost to:
Fairfield Ranked 54
Hopkins 18
Maryland R 1
Drexel 51
Delaware 30
JMU 14
Elon 20
SB 4

Beat
Bucknell Ranked 54
Wagner 83
Quinnipiac 100
UNH 70
Central Conn 104
Columbia 42
Towson 21
W and M 71

Not very impressive and nothing indicates next year will be a huge jump.

Take the guy from wantagh with you