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Boo hoo, sorry your kid can't make any of the listed teams. You have no idea what you are talking about and if you think for one minute the lesser performing 2020 teams do not have holdbacks, you are kidding yourself. Plus, you want these teams to list on a public form the DOB of kids, you are really out of your mind. No one really cares who you do and don't take seriously. You need to spend your time on something that will help you kid get better, not crying over this stuff. .

Boo hoo, sorry your kid can't make any of the listed teams. You have no idea what you are talking about and if you think for one minute the lesser performing 2020 teams do not have holdbacks, you are kidding yourself. Plus, you want these teams to list on a public form the DOB of kids, you are really out of your mind. No one really cares who you do and don't take seriously. You need to spend your time on something that will help you kid get better, not crying over this stuff.


I don't live in MD and I can assure you if I did - I wouldn't reclass my kids multiple times in order to gain an advantage on the lacrosse field. I know that's how you Baltimore folks roll.....

What he said!

spoken by the cheating parent of a holdback .

. . . and they're proud of it!

Most people are misinformed about this hold back argument. Private schools across the country are evolving and almost universally adopting a pre-first option curriculum. This leads to many lateral transfers for those that go from public to private eventually. This is education evolving (or at least private, not so much with the government public). 95% of the decisions related to this stuff are based on providing a better education for their kids. Yes, in youth sports this leads to an age gap in grade based leagues. No, it doesn't mean that every elementary school or middle school parent out there is on some nefarious plot to game a system. Most of the HS leagues that play against each other have similar curriculums, so not much debate goes on within HS leagues. Club HS leagues are never going to go to age, because age has no bearing in HS (except for cap in most leagues) and no bearing in College, grade does. Colleges don't care, or would see it as a plus for prospects to have an extra year of school, so never going to get pressure from that end. Varsity HS and College life is competitive, as life is competitive, not all in life is fair, and quite frankly, by the time you hit 18-19, you either have the skill to move on, or don't. So what are we left with - youth debate over age vs. grade. Now that club has turned into expensive recreation ball, give people a choice with two leagues, age and grade. Helicopter parents just want their kid to win, so set up a huge age-based league for the majority of the clubs to play, and keep a smaller middle school/high school grade-based league for strong developmental HS preparation clubs/teams. Heck, give the age-based kids two classes per birthday year, to head off the next argument that late birthday kids are getting an advantage, 6 month spreads, instead of 12. Then we can go back to arguing every time a B team wins the 'ship, how they should have been A. Those were the days.

Use college graduation rates coming out of private or public as the baseline measure of setting up the grade based league. That being said, just let public school kids play -1 grade if they want. My private hs school kid is playing the grade it says on his report card. My kid's team will just pick up a couple public school studs to make his team better than it already is, and let those 2 or 3 kids explain to coaches why they are playing in that league, instead of the other 20 kids that are playing exactly the grade their report card says, as authorized by the State having jurisdiction. Oh, you don't want to have to do that, well guess what, either do I, so go pound sand.

Hey, the 1980s called, and soccer, hockey, and baseball want their old governing system rules back . . .

Can't wait to see the expression on the faces of wise asses like you when this all goes age. Its slowly but surely heading that way. Now with the new recruiting rules, and much tighter window to make decisions on players, coaches really need to make the right choice. Age classification will now become the rule. A good 17-18 year old rising college freshman has much more upside potential than a 20 yo. They are about as good as they're going to be. Coaches are starting to realize this, way to many double holdback recruiting busts out there. You only need to look at UVA and Hop to see how it's not panning out. Better get Jr a commitment as soon as you can... Otherwise those 16 years of private school will be all for not!

My kid just finished his first year, most of the Freshman were holdbacks and mostly cared about drinking beer and getting away from their overbearing parents. Most will not see much of the field. They are happy being one of the boyz. I see this ending soon. Just so dumb in every way for a person with even half a brain. Kind of like insider trading.

Holdback is not a breed of dog. You have nothing to add, you made up your drivel.

Uh, yeah, recruiting way down at private schools, ha ha, that is a funny one! Keep it coming, give us some more...

This sounds about right...

You weren't on this years team. They actually played pretty well this year. Winning record in top tournaments. They beat (LIE-2nd team) this last weekend at NLF. Will only get better...

You weren't on this years team. They actually played pretty well this year. Winning record in top tournaments. They beat (LIE-2nd team) this last weekend at NLF. Will only get better...

Any word on who may be jumping from their clubs to new turtle organization?

Is that something to brag about? Orange will always be a second rate b team, no matter how you try to spin it. Would not want my son on that team during this very important recruiting year.

The Kings clothes never look quiet as good the second time around. Good luck with the TT's redoux. The guy has an over inflated view of his transformational lax prowess...he'll attract the disgruntled and the delusional and whoever else didn't make igloo. IF you can't beat 'em, make your own.

So 'good', you had to post this on two different boards??

That are relevant to me, um yes.

Again, another poster who doesn't know how to use these boards, IE, essentially what amounts to an erroneous post . . .

There will be some very good players going over this team, from what I hear. JD does not mess around.

Does anyone know any decent club in/around Anne arundel county that could use a fogo? Thanks

FCA, Crabs, Madlax all struggled at the X this summer

Our family and I are Muslim,we wouldn't let my child play for FCA, MadLax is a bit too far. I'll look into crabs, do you have any other recommendations... like local clubs. Thanks

Just remember JD used to coach my sons express team and it was a mess, he was toxic

Check the Maryland forum.

Hawks is the big boy in Anne Arundel County - start there. Pro Start (Will Dalton's club), PLC

Ok, thanks a lot

Mass exodus this year

They on't need hold backs, just stop taking so many midgets. I've never seen kids that small be successful at a high level

I'd expect 20% turnover--the same as every year... team hoppers move on, new group of good players comes in...yawn.

Heard Outlaws 2020 select falling apart, 2 fathers from team coaching now??

FL$ is just fine. Big recruiting year coming up. I'm sure tryouts will be competitive just like every year. Nasssu team. Suffolk team. Compiled team.

Wrong, but nice try. Team is actually going to upgrade big time.

Manhasset Daddies finally leaving FL$

FL$ will finally be Manhaset Free at this age group. Follow their coach they will.

what club ?

I thought FL$ was full of Manhasset at this age. Are they at Plandome hatching a new team because non have committed?

We had a different experience as did other parents on the team. JD is all in. He will likely pull some kids from Express. That program has stalled and parents are looking for a change.