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Ty Xander's should start posting DOB when he sucks up to fat crabs players in recruiting rundown.

I said the hold backs would get better if they moved up.
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#youragendaornoagenda

Ok, if that's what you want for your kid. I don't know why one shouldn't be trying to get a great education and actually play. Those are people who are special and will be successful in life.

Why don't you make me, tough guy. Just sit your visor-wearing, tank top-sporting, jean shorts-rocking self down and have another Busch Light. Then climb back in your IROC and head back to your car port.

Yes, everybody knows that, yet you do the opposite, sad. That's your only counterpoint?

Wanting a level playing field is not an agenda, I think most would agree it's a pretty reasonable expectation. The whole premise of sport is fair competition, not a difficult concept. You seek to subvert all of that and browbeat those who call you on it...now that's an agenda.

Best quote ever! These people are so desperate to say their kid went D1 they'll do anything. Son was recently at a committed camp, friend's roommate was already 20. Held back and PG'd to get into a top 30-35 D1 Lax school with a good academic ranking. Another kid already had a receding hairline. Have no idea how old he was. I just don't get it. Could have gone on age and probably made a great D3 team with a great academic rating. The kid would be graduating in two years and probably have played a lot. Now the kid will probably be 25 before he hits the real world. If god forbid he gets hurt, then he redshirts and graduates at 26? To what end? What did you win? What did the kid win? At 26 you should be looking to advance in your career, start a business, buy a house, finish grad school. What are these people thinking?

Then there's us, living the dream, at work checking and commenting on an anonymous lax forum.

I'm so tired of people shedding car ports in a negative light.

What's not fair about pairing talent in a private club based on skill, within an age range that closely emulates the hs experience? Seems fair to me, since you have to sign up for exactly what is being advertised. It is developmental and preparatory. What are you trying to accomplish, fair play based on birth year? Cool, go do that, it's called rec. I loved rec, played and coached rec for years, great building blocks, great memories. Why should that model follow a more advanced preparatory private league? You just want very expensive rec ball? You should start a very expensive rec league, free country.

They are thinking how nice it will be to say at cocktail parties that Ashton has committed to play lacrosse at Marist, need to justify 14 years of private school tuition somehow.

So holdbacks play down because that's the appropriate talent level for them? Ok, I'm good with that. Supports what we've been saying all along, Talented players play up, other kids have to find another way to look talented.

Club is not about emulating the HS experience. You don't see upper classmen playing on JV teams...not allowed.

It's about developing advanced skills, strong competition, and providing a vehicle for kids to be evaluated and recruited. Holdbacks don't want competition, they want to 'look' good. Part of the recruiting evaluation is physical maturity, Holdbacks gaming the system there.

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Level playing field costs about $100 and is right down the street.
The $2,000 playing field is a little harder, and don't feel obliged to participate.

Harder for whom? Certainly not the holdbacks who depend on the fact that it's easier. Kind of silly to lecture the parents who's kids actually are on the harder path.

You keep talking about competition, getting better, blah blah blah, but you do the exact opposite.

What's not fair about pairing talent in a private club based on skill, within an age range that closely emulates the hs experience? Seems fair to me, since you have to sign up for exactly what is being advertised. It is developmental and preparatory. What are you trying to accomplish, fair play based on birth year? Cool, go do that, it's called rec. I loved rec, played and coached rec for years, great building blocks, great memories. Why should that model follow a more advanced preparatory private league? You just want very expensive rec ball? You should start a very expensive rec league, free country. [/quote]

So holdbacks play down because that's the appropriate talent level for them? Ok, I'm good with that. Supports what we've been saying all along, Talented players play up, other kids have to find another way to look talented.

Club is not about emulating the HS experience. You don't see upper classmen playing on JV teams...not allowed.

It's about developing advanced skills, strong competition, and providing a vehicle for kids to be evaluated and recruited. Holdbacks don't want competition, they want to 'look' good. Part of the recruiting evaluation is physical maturity, Holdbacks gaming the system there.

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Wait, my kid's school recommended he do prefirst, it's actually part of the curriculum, unless you get permission to skip (he was 6, hadn't started lacrosse yet). He's in 4th grade now. Should he sign up for 5th grade lacrosse? They didn't ask age, there was a grade box to fill in? Pretty sure like 90% of the kids at tryouts were private school kids, many are from his school, they are all in his grade. All of his 4th grade classmates seem to be signing up for 4th grade for some reason. Can you help, this is so confusing.

So holdbacks play down because that's the appropriate talent level for them? Ok, I'm good with that. Supports what we've been saying all along, Talented players play up, other kids have to find another way to look talented.

Club is not about emulating the HS experience. You don't see upper classmen playing on JV teams...not allowed.

It's about developing advanced skills, strong competition, and providing a vehicle for kids to be evaluated and recruited. Holdbacks don't want competition, they want to 'look' good. Part of the recruiting evaluation is physical maturity, Holdbacks gaming the system there.

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Wait, my kid's school recommended he do prefirst, it's actually part of the curriculum, unless you get permission to skip (he was 6, hadn't started lacrosse yet). He's in 4th grade now. Should he sign up for 5th grade lacrosse? They didn't ask age, there was a grade box to fill in? Pretty sure like 90% of the kids at tryouts were private school kids, many are from his school, they are all in his grade. All of his 4th grade classmates seem to be signing up for 4th grade for some reason. Can you help, this is so confusing.

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Your condescending tone and sarcastic approach are consistent with the holdback/double holdback parent. Another 20 year old freshman in the making.

my house in Bermuda has a car port. I keep my boat there when not in use.

Wait, my kid's school recommended he do prefirst, it's actually part of the curriculum, unless you get permission to skip (he was 6, hadn't started lacrosse yet). He's in 4th grade now. Should he sign up for 5th grade lacrosse? They didn't ask age, there was a grade box to fill in? Pretty sure like 90% of the kids at tryouts were private school kids, many are from his school, they are all in his grade. All of his 4th grade classmates seem to be signing up for 4th grade for some reason. Can you help, this is so confusing.

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Your condescending tone and sarcastic approach are consistent with the holdback/double holdback parent. Another 20 year old freshman in the making.[/quote]

OOOH, let's throw double hold back in there to make it sound nefarious. Dude, are you serious, you think every private school and every prefirst program participant are thinking about sports! How about education system evolving, unlike the third world government system! Oh well, tryouts are being advertised, looks like another year of the successful and growing grade based private club system. See you later.

bet the 20 year old freshman plays ahead of your 19 year old freshman...

This holdback guy is chasing his tail and clearly never took a logic class in HS, or college, if he even attended. There is zero collective benefit to your playing your son down other than he is miserable in school and needs a second chance (valid) or you want him to look better vs. younger less mature competition. Spare us the argument of how its good for us, because it isn't while the kids are maturing. By the time they become jr.s your little/big johnny's advantage will be diminished. Just crawl back in your hole and keep your head down and hope you don't get called out and keep patting yourself on your back and saying "thanks" when everyone tells you how good your son looks because it is fleeting and ephemeral and you know it and the sad thing is, he probably knows it to and will require therapy at some point in his life for the false sense of confidence you enabled--great work.

[quote=Anonymous]bet the 20 year old freshman plays ahead of your 19 year old freshman...[/quote

I'd take that bet. But more importantly, I bet the 19 year old will be a better hire in the future. I like to hire people who earned a position with hard work.

In my area, it is very common for public school kids to repeat if they transfer into private, even if they don't play a sport. Public school education is basically third world. I get your argument as it pertains to grade-based youth sports, but the smart ones just continue to play up, and then in HS you just play your grade. You worry about yourself, not what some public school parents think about your educational path. Because private school kids have no track record of success in college ball, right? College ball is all public school kids. Yup, you got us there, dude, I got nothing..

Your condescending tone and sarcastic approach are consistent with the holdback/double holdback parent. Another 20 year old freshman in the making.[/quote]

OOOH, let's throw double hold back in there to make it sound nefarious. Dude, are you serious, you think every private school and every prefirst program participant are thinking about sports! How about education system evolving, unlike the third world government system! Oh well, tryouts are being advertised, looks like another year of the successful and growing grade based private club system. See you later.
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it's actually very simple, he should sign up for the correct age as recommended by US lacrosse. Unless there's something wrong with him he will make friends on an age appropriate team.

OOOH, let's throw double hold back in there to make it sound nefarious. Dude, are you serious, you think every private school and every prefirst program participant are thinking about sports! How about education system evolving, unlike the third world government system! Oh well, tryouts are being advertised, looks like another year of the successful and growing grade based private club system. See you later.
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it's actually very simple, he should sign up for the correct age as recommended by US lacrosse. Unless there's something wrong with him he will make friends on an age appropriate team. [/quote]

No, he should sign up however the league has it set up, tell them to follow the US lax guidelines. Your argument is with the rules, not some 9,10,11 year old kid that doesn't even understand why he's getting the stink eye from some 40 year old parent. You get 50 private school kids at tryouts, there isn't going to be some unwritten public school parent rule that they can be expected to follow. All that being said, sure, playing up is a great way to get better under the current rules, but not a mandate because you say so. Argue with the league, not the participants.

OOOH, let's throw double hold back in there to make it sound nefarious. Dude, are you serious, you think every private school and every prefirst program participant are thinking about sports! How about education system evolving, unlike the third world government system! Oh well, tryouts are being advertised, looks like another year of the successful and growing grade based private club system. See you later.
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it's actually very simple, he should sign up for the correct age as recommended by US lacrosse. Unless there's something wrong with him he will make friends on an age appropriate team. [/quote]

You need to find an age-appropriate activity, then maybe you will meet some friends.

Crush scared to play at Crabfeast. Sad.

Crush hasn't gone there in four years. As stated Predictions ?!

it's actually very simple, he should sign up for the correct age as recommended by US lacrosse. Unless there's something wrong with him he will make friends on an age appropriate team. [/quote]

You need to find an age-appropriate activity, then maybe you will meet some friends.[/quote]

So there's something wrong with him, sorry I didn't know.....

Is edge actually going to show up this weekend?

I've learned that fighting the holdback debacle is a never win debate. In the end the great players will be great and the average will remain average despite one or two years of holding back. You can't buy talent and it will all play out the way it is supposed to in the end. My older sons 20 year old freshman teammates who were HS studs are now standing on the sidelines.

Anyone know anything about the Eite 120 event being held today in Baltimore?

Maybe where you are from the public schools are lacking but we have reviewed the objective real life data in our area and public are generally superior in the academic course offerings at higher levels because private schools can not scale to that level, SAT scores are comparable and in many cases higher, college admittance and retention is comparable (not just admittance as little Johnny has to work and fit in once accepted) for the top 1/3 of most public schools (outside of inner cities). Not to mention that they are not filled with individuals such as yourself making sweeping statements with no basis. If your kid can not be in the top 2/3 academically in a public school than the private school small class size and hand holding are the best thing for them. There are a myriad of other intangibles that make one a better choice over the other but academics is not necessarily one of them. Please do some research.

A list controlled by RM and his inner circle. No chance of anyone outside of his political circle attending as he controls entrance for anything in the Baltimore area NLF related and he is a protective sort. More of the same. Anyone can call themselves the "Elite".

Last we heard they were planning to "bring it".

So you are just a world class cheapskate.

They were not good last week. Watched a game and they didn't win a draw

Isn't the fogo going to Hopkins?

wow are you bad at this! nowhere was money mentioned but since you can't think of anything else just pull an insult out of your .....

Are you seriously saying someone who chooses to send their kids to public schools on LI is a "cheapskate"??!

Says the guy who said the other kid must need his hand held.

On LI there are many factors, if one is from a top notch public there is no reason to go Private unless dad or big brother did. Some, yes some of the LI publics absolutely have better academics than the privates. but to each their own!