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Have they joined LI Express or are they still a separate Organization? They were always one of the top 5 in the country. They do have older kids. A couple of 2020 Long Island kids moved there and were put on the 2021 team.

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Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?

Previously know as Bethesda Lacrosse Club. They have always been very good. Looks like they got even better.


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Express will be there too.

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Blaze, Black Ice and Outlaws Select all at Naptown next month


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DC Express has all older kids, GC34 vs. Ambush, Ambush has won 2/3 all close games, last game ambush cannot get out of its own way and DC Express is part of LI Express now..Icon b at ****

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It's tough to put Ambush that high. They never play AA Tournaments. They mostly play A/B teams. It's hard to access their talent.

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I have to agree, but so far they have played four AA teams and they are 2 wins and 2 losses against. Friends' son on the team. I would like to c them play express and icon. Express avoided them in Spring jam, when they were facing each other. They asked for schedule change.

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They r not allowed by the organization most of the time.

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It's tough to put Ambush that high. They never play AA Tournaments. They mostly play A/B teams. It's hard to access their talent.


Ambush plays mostly B plus, B and C teams. It is rare that they play A or AA. A once in a while victory over an A minus or A team is not enough to place them in the top 8. Legacy always beats them. GC is playing B at Lax plus fest which this year the A division is mostly B teams and the B division is mostly C teams. So GC is eliminated from the list all together even If they beat Ambush one time. If Ambush played better teams more often They would do very well. But that is speculation. You can't place them high for beating the one or two A teams when we don't know how they would do against the rest of the best team.

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GC34 doesnt play in A or AA ever and only goes to second rate tournaments.

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It's tough to put Ambush that high. They never play AA Tournaments. They mostly play A/B teams. It's hard to access their talent.


Ambush plays mostly B plus, B and C teams. It is rare that they play A or AA. A once in a while victory over an A minus or A team is not enough to place them in the top 8. Legacy always beats them. GC is playing B at Lax plus fest which this year the A division is mostly B teams and the B division is mostly C teams. So GC is eliminated from the list all together even If they beat Ambush one time. If Ambush played better teams more often They would do very well. But that is speculation. You can't place them high for beating the one or two A teams when we don't know how they would do against the rest of the best team.


Ambush plays tight with Outlaws Select. They are split with them right now for the past year, so they need to be in the mix. Outside of Express, Blaze and Black Ice, who would be considered A?

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Originally Posted by shallowhal
Blaze, Black Ice and Outlaws Select all at Naptown next month

Just a personal opinion but I don't think Outlaws Select is in the same realm as Blaze and B-Ice. Good team fun to watch, A team yes but not same level.

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Icon. Also Out of state A teams that Ambush never plays. I personally think Ambush is an A team. They have a little bad luck that the A team of the club is one of the best in the country so they get put in B tournaments out of state. Having said that the proper place for them is number 7 on Long Island. Are they in the mix? Of course. No one is saying they are not. They are without a doubt ahead of GC despite the loss. They just need an out of state resume to move up the list.

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Blaze, Black Ice and Outlaws Select all at Naptown next month

Just a personal opinion but I don't think Outlaws Select is in the same realm as Blaze and B-Ice. Good team fun to watch, A team yes but not same level.

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It's tough to put Ambush that high. They never play AA Tournaments. They mostly play A/B teams. It's hard to access their talent.


Ambush plays mostly B plus, B and C teams. It is rare that they play A or AA. A once in a while victory over an A minus or A team is not enough to place them in the top 8. Legacy always beats them. GC is playing B at Lax plus fest which this year the A division is mostly B teams and the B division is mostly C teams. So GC is eliminated from the list all together even If they beat Ambush one time. If Ambush played better teams more often They would do very well. But that is speculation. You can't place them high for beating the one or two A teams when we don't know how they would do against the rest of the best team.


Ambush plays tight with Outlaws Select. They are split with them right now for the past year, so they need to be in the mix. Outside of Express, Blaze and Black Ice, who would be considered A?


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It is amazing how lax and fest tournament has turned into a B and C division event for 2021. No A or AA division. GC plaing against C teams is a disgrace. None of the best or even better teams are going.

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Sorry to burst bubbles. DC Express is not all older kids - there are 4 kids who by their summer birthdate should be in class of 2020, but started school late - not reclassed or repeat / just for clarification - so yes / they have those older boys - no denying that.

There are also NO former LIE 2020 players on team that is just a made up statement.

It is same core Bethesda Team that has been together since 3rd grade - adding pieces each year.

This year biggest add being a real goalie - never had before.



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Sorry to burst bubbles. DC Express is not all older kids - there are 4 kids who by their summer birthdate should be in class of 2020, but started school late - not reclassed or repeat / just for clarification - so yes / they have those older boys - no denying that.

There are also NO former LIE 2020 players on team that is just a made up statement.

It is same core Bethesda Team that has been together since 3rd grade - adding pieces each year.

This year biggest add being a real goalie - never had before.




So, what you're saying is that DCE is bucking the whole mid Atlantic trends, and they're the only team down there that isn't loading up on older boys??

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Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?


Blaze has a few injuries to Middies that they are having to overcome. They usually start slow to begin with, so this has put a hamper on them.

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Any talk about the coaching carousel this summer? Heard some HS Coaches will be making moves.

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Sorry to burst bubbles. DC Express is not all older kids - there are 4 kids who by their summer birthdate should be in class of 2020, but started school late - not reclassed or repeat / just for clarification - so yes / they have those older boys - no denying that.

There are also NO former LIE 2020 players on team that is just a made up statement.

It is same core Bethesda Team that has been together since 3rd grade - adding pieces each year.

This year biggest add being a real goalie - never had before.





Two 2020 Long Island kids is a true statement. I won't single a kid out but came from the North Shore of Long Island. You may not know it but it is 100 percent true. No reason to make something like that up.

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Sorry - Not on DCE 2021 Black - wrong team. If were true - not a big deal - just not true - all kids are from Bethesda, Potomac, Olney, Annapolis - Originally and Currently.

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Not saying the kids still live on Long Island. They lived on Long Island and moved to Maryland. The school in Maryland moved the kids from 2020 to 2021. Not saying it was done for lax. I saw one mom at a tournament and knew her and spoke with her. Surprised me the kid was moved to 2021. It is that simple.

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Sorry to burst bubbles. DC Express is not all older kids - there are 4 kids who by their summer birthdate should be in class of 2020, but started school late - not reclassed or repeat / just for clarification - so yes / they have those older boys - no denying that.

There are also NO former LIE 2020 players on team that is just a made up statement.

It is same core Bethesda Team that has been together since 3rd grade - adding pieces each year.

This year biggest add being a real goalie - never had before.





Two 2020 Long Island kids is a true statement. I won't single a kid out but came from the North Shore of Long Island. You may not know it but it is 100 percent true. No reason to make something like that up.

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Sorry - Not on DCE 2021 Black - wrong team. If were true - not a big deal - just not true - all kids are from Bethesda, Potomac, Olney, Annapolis - Originally and Currently.


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nope. didn't happen.

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Just curios, any coaches watching 2021 games this summer? My son is 2020 and I can say there are some coaches on the sidelines but not nearly as many as last summer for sure

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rules have changed, better read up.

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rules have changed, better read up.


Rules have changed no doubt. Now it remains to be seen how many coaches will honor the rule or recruit through a third party, i.e. Club coach/director, school coach.

This is why the rule, while needed didn't go far enough.

My bet is the honor system will go,out the window with the next round of recruited 20's and 21's. Once one coach does it, they may all be compelled to do it.

More importantly, USL and tournaments should clean up 16 year olds playing in 2021 divisions.

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rules have changed, better read up.


Rules have changed no doubt. Now it remains to be seen how many coaches will honor the rule or recruit through a third party, i.e. Club coach/director, school coach.

This is why the rule, while needed didn't go far enough.

My bet is the honor system will go,out the window with the next round of recruited 20's and 21's. Once one coach does it, they may all be compelled to do it.

More importantly, USL and tournaments should clean up 16 year olds playing in 2021 divisions.


Personally, I would be very careful (on the athlete end) of being "recruited" illegally, because if it gets out that coaches are trying to get around the rules, not only is the coach/program going to be held accountable, so will the student athlete. Face it, the rule has totally changed the game and for the better for sure.

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Ambush pulls out a great win at LaxFest A bracket against a very good Lime Green team. Great game.

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Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?


Blaze has a few injuries to Middies that they are having to overcome. They usually start slow to begin with, so this has put a hamper on them.





Doesn't matter with injuries or not. Blaze is done. Just another avg to good team in the tournaments they are in. No chemistry and the team has been ruined.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Question - Blaze lost twice at NLF to DC Express - where did this team come from - was it something else last year?


Blaze has a few injuries to Middies that they are having to overcome. They usually start slow to begin with, so this has put a hamper on them.





Doesn't matter with injuries or not. Blaze is done. Just another avg to good team in the tournaments they are in. No chemistry and the team has been ruined.


I remember hearing the same thing last summer, and they ended up cleaning up and were untouchable.

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Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!

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Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!


Ok, so outside of Blaze, Express Channy and Black Ice, who is A genius?

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Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!

Sour grapes, won the A Bracket..........
Win is a win unlike you who is a LOOOOOOOSER.

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It's Express Schreiber loser! That's what happens when you're stuck playing C talent! You're not up with current events with the elite teams!

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It's Express Schreiber loser! That's what happens when you're stuck playing C talent! You're not up with current events with the elite teams!


Another 'elitist' lax idiot. As far you're concerned, if you're not in the top few programs, everyone else is C and basically shouldn't bother playing at all. Clue: like everything in the real world, there are lots of shades of grey. You elitist guys must be loads of fun to be around in general.

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OH NO, NOT EXPRESS SCHREIBER!!!

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Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!


Close game in Championship against a B team but Ambush did win. So congratulations to them. It does not matter what people write here or what the lacrosse world thinks of them. Playing B teams is where the coach and director of the organization think that is where the team should play. All the rest of the talk in nonsense.

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Once again Ambush playing B/C Talent and letting everyone know!


Ok, so outside of Blaze, Express Channy and Black Ice, who is A genius?

Out of state A teams are all over the place. The list is long. In the fall ambush traveled out of state to play B and C teams. Long Island is not the only place to play A teams.

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Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.

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Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.

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Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.


No. B teams play in B tournaments except for charity. Ambush only plays in B tournaments. Ask your director why Ambush does not play where Blaze does. Again the director thinks this is a B level team and they play in B level tournaments. End of story. Can't argue with that.

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Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.

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Garden City going into the B bracket is what B teams do. A teams play in the A bracket and play the teams there and win. Ambush is doing what it can do improve. They had players who played for their HS that day too and they still pulled it out. 6-8 games in one day is a lot of lax.


No. B teams play in B tournaments except for charity. Ambush only plays in B tournaments. Ask your director why Ambush does not play where Blaze does. Again the director thinks this is a B level team and they play in B level tournaments. End of story. Can't argue with that.


They don't want Ambush and Blaze to play each other in a championship, that is why. The coach of Ambush picked the tournaments this year. They are going to some really good ones. Since when is the LI Lax Fest a B Tournament? Blatant is, and so are so many others. Ambush is not on the same level as Blaze, but where is Avalanche this year? What about Black Ice? Haven't heard from either of them.

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Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b divison. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.

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Ambush is going to young guns and are in the B division and are playing against the fighting ducks, jesters, messa b team and other terrible b/c teams. They are staying clear of good teams. They had a chance to play in the top division but chose to play terrible b/c teams. At NLF the bet is they will play b division. Shore point is a b /c tournament. So taking your post claiming that B teams play in the B bracket and A teams play in the A bracket how do you explain young guns where ambush will be playing b division and nlf where they will play b division. By your own definition ambush is a b team playing in the b division.


Look who is talking out of their A$$. There is no AA bracket for 2021 Young Guns. Ambush signed up for this tournament back in February/March. Name the tournaments that they should be playing in.

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