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Time to get your head checked it you're playing to get recruited, and not because you enjoy it.

Rankings Headed into the Summer and play level. I used some of the Fall Tourney's, Spring League and early Summer Tournaments to come up with this list

Who's missing, any glaring differences in rankings. I only tried to rank top 10.

1. BL Zeus (AA) - Only team that competes outside of PA at this level
2. Dukes Nationals (AA) - Not sure they qualify as a PA team?
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3. Big 4 HHH (A) - Went 1-3 in NLF Tourney
4. Mesa (A) - Went 1-3 in NLF Tourney
5. Freedom Red (A) - Best record at Spring League in A Division
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6. Rising Sons (B) - 2nd best PA team in Spring League A
7. Uprising (B) - 3rd best PA team in Spring League A
8. Team 11 (B) - Best record in Spring League B
9. BL Poseidon (B) - Competitive in B tournaments
10. Rough Riders (B) - Competitive in B tournaments
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Headstrong (B)
Rock (B)
NXT (B)
Fusion (B)
Highlanders (B)
Freedom White (B)
Shockwave (B)
Team Money (B)
Blak Widow (B)
Black Bear (B)
Rose Tree Optimists (B)
Bucks Select (B)
NEPA Pirates (B)

Mesa is much better than HHH, so are Freedom and maybe SONS...HHH won't play anyone local it will ruin the mystic when they lose to BL, MESA, SONS and Freedom.

No way Dukes counts as a PA team.

Yep, went back to NLF Super Series and against same opponents Mesa was better, Removed Nationals, moved Freedom Red up and moved Headstrong into Top 10. Also did you mean Mystique?

1. BL Zeus (AA) - Only team that competes outside of PA at this level
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2. Mesa (A) - Went 1-3 in NLF Tourney
3. Freedom Red (A) - Best record at Spring League in A Division
4. Big 4 HHH (A) - Went 1-3 in NLF Tourney
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5. Rising Sons (B) - 2nd best PA team in Spring League A
6. Uprising (B) - 3rd best PA team in Spring League A
7. Team 11 (B) - Best record in Spring League B
8. BL Poseidon (B) - Competitive in B tournaments
9. Rough Riders (B) - Competitive in B tournaments
10. Headstrong (B) - Went 3-0 at Harvest Classic in B division
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Rock (B)
NXT (B)
Fusion (B)
Highlanders (B)
Freedom White (B)
Shockwave (B)
Team Money (B)
Blak Widow (B)
Black Bear (B)
Rose Tree Optimists (B)
Bucks Select (B)
NEPA Pirates (B)

Agree that Dukes cannot be considered a PA Team. I think this list is pretty accurate.

* Freedom Red, SONS, Team 11 and Rock all in the Meltdown A Division this weekend.

- Freedom plays Rock, SONS play Team 11

* NXT, Rough Riders, Rosetree, Fusion in the B Division of Meltdown

- Rosetree plays RR, NXT plays Fusion

* Big 4 HHH and Mesa at the Big 4 HHH Champions - No head to head (except potentially in brackets)

* Black Bear, Blak Widow, Buck's Select, NEPA Pirates playing Lehigh Laxfest

- Black Bear playing Black Widow

* Shockwave, Team Money and Headstrong at Mid-Atlantic Classic

- They each play one another.

Past Results (Games between PA teams)

Zeus beat: Freedom White 12-0, NXT 8-1, Blak Widow 12-0
NXT beat: Freedom White 9-3, Lost to: Zeus 1-8, Poseidon 3-4
Freedom White lost to: Zeus 0-12, Highlanders 3-4, NXT 3-9
Poseidon beat: NXT 4-3, Blak Widow 9-3, Highlanders 9-5
Highlanders beat: Freedom White 4-3, Blak Widow 5-3, Lost to: Poseidon 5-9
Blak Widow lost to: Highlander 3-5, Poseidon 3-9, Zeus 0-12

Anyone know if BL is playing this weekend or where Uprising is/has played.

Forget it, just saw, Uprising doesn't play Summer events....guess some of them play for Big 4 HHH since they are affiliated? So do they belong in the ranking as a separate team?

BL is playing in Annapolis at Summer Exposure

You need to get a life, seriously who has the time and/or desire to research and rank 6th grade lacrosse teams.

Weak AA, but Bethesda Blue should be an interesting game.

Hawks will be tough , and if you are travelling from Carolina and Illinois would expect good teams

I had time during my refractory period

Agreed. That is why we are going. Meltdown is a nice local tournament and nobody does a better job than NXT at running a tournament, but at this point it just isn't competitive. Now NXT Cup is super stacked that will be interesting.

And Liberty was? Get over yourself

I would be very surprised if True Il doesn't win the whole thing. They are solid all around and have a few big fast middies that will run right over BL and anyone else that gets in the way. BL's pole won't be able to slow them down. They are very good (and slightly older). Prepare for that.

Get ready to be surprised

Say the guy from Philly that's never seen them. My boys team has played BL and True. True is substantially better.

Some Mesa players skipped NLF to play a no name tourney with Duke's. Just shows that Philly players don't understand. Best teams play the NLF events. If you want respect, you need to play these events.

Amy's the guys who's kid has never been out of Philly... there's a great big lacrosse world out there.

The team that won the no name tournament also won HOCO spring league over the Crabs? Tell me again who won against all the "Best teams" at the NLF event in a blowout?

NXT Level and FCA also beat the Crabs in HOCO. There are plenty of good teams and events and the NLF ones aren't special.

The no name tournament had 3 of the top 4 teams from the HOCO league - Next Level, FCA and Club Blue - all 3 of which compete with and often beat Crabs, who ran over everyone at NLF. Think the competition at the lesser tournament was just fine (and a lot closer to home for the 3 teams mentioned above)

My son played True in the fall. They were very very good. The previous poster may be correct. They could potentially win it all.

True IL is a solid team. Big and fast, but no different than playing against the MD holdback teams.

Why did BL and Patroit have to play 4 games and everyone else 3?

So sorry to hear about your son's team.

... and many teams have traveled to Philly from that great big lacrosse world and have been beaten soundly by BL.

If anyone knows where these teams play next, post a reply....

Ranking updated through 6/18

1. BL Zeus (AA) - Went 4-1 in pool play (Summer Exposure ) and then lost to True 5-0 in bracket. Way to represent Philly lax. Interesting that a Philly and Illinois team play in the bracket in a Maryland tourney.
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2 Big 4 HHH (A) (Previous 4) - Went 3-0 at Big 4, beat Madlax and lost to crabs 9-5 in bracket. Nice representation for Philly
3.Mesa (A) (Previous 2) - Went 2-1 at the Big 4 HHH Tourney and lost to Madlax 6-2 in bracket, also lost to crabs 6-1. Nice representation for Philly
4.Freedom Red (A) (Previous 3) - Went 4-0 at Meltdown in A Pool (looks like a cakewalk except for a close SONS game), Won Cup by defeating Team 11 8-4.
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5.Team 11 (B) (Previous 6) - Went 4-0 in Meltdown A pool play, shutting out SONS 7-0. Lost to Freedom in bracket finals.
6.Rising Sons (B) (Previous 5) - 3-1 in Meltdown A Pool play, lost big to previous #7 Team 11, close loss in Bracket to eventual champ Freedom
7.BL Poseidon (B) - Competitive in B tournaments: Went 2-1 in B bracket and won both bracket games. Team 91 MD only team to handle them.
8.Rough Riders (B) - 2-1 at Meltdown B Pool Play, struggled in Bracket against 2 NJ teams
9.Team Money (B) (Previous unranked): 3-2 at Mid Atlantic Classic, Beat Headstrong and Shockwave
10.Headstrong (B) - 2-3 at Mid Atlantic Classic, lost to Team Money, beat Shockwave
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Unranked Teams:
Rock (B) - Went 0-4 in Meltdown A Pool play, won their bracket game. Lost to Freedom 9-2
NXT (B): Went 1-2 in Meltdown B Pool Play, handled Fusion
Fusion (B): Went 0-3 in Meltdown B Pool Play, got thumped by NXT in bracket and pool play
Highlanders (B) - No Action?
Freedom White (B) - No Action?
Shockwave (B) Went 1-4 at Mid Altantic Classic
Blak Widow (B) 1-3 at Lehigh Lax Fest, beat black bear 5-1
Black Bear (B) 0-4 at Lehigh Laxfest, lost to Blak Widow 1-5
Rose Tree Optimists (B) Went 1-2 in Meltdown B Pool Play
Bucks Select (B) went 4-1 at Lehigh Laxfest, lost in bracket finals
NEPA Pirates (B) went 0-4 at Lehigh Laxfest.

*Removed Uprising from rankings since they don't play summer.

Hawks also played four games day one. Beat us in our 3rd game. No excuses. The big righty attack had 5 or 6 goals. He has to be 15.

The reason PA and IL in the in the finals in MD is because all the good teams where at Big 4 this weekend

Is it too soon to say I told you so? And by the way, 5-0 is an [lacrosse]-whooping. You Philly guys just stay in your bubble and everytihing will be fine for you.

... OK. True IL is a legitiment team. Spoke with a few parents. Top kids in the state. Practice all the time. Fly all over the place, Boston next week. 12 year old BL kids come off the field in disbelief that they are playing against a "kid" with a full on goatee. BL offense was off the whole weekend and still made it to the chip. Learning experience for the boys. It's never the right time to say I told you so. Looks like gloating, but what did you win? What did your sons team win.? I hate to burst your "bubble", but BL gets trashed on here because it hovers a few ticks above teams like the one your son plays on. That's the draw for you, isn't it? Nothing to say about your son's team?

... OK. True IL is a legitiment team. Spoke with a few parents. Top kids in the state. Practice all the time. Fly all over the place, Boston next week. 12 year old BL kids come off the field in disbelief that they are playing against a "kid" with a full on goatee. BL offense was off the whole weekend and still made it to the chip. Learning experience for the boys. It's never the right time to say I told you so. Looks like gloating, but what did you win? What did your sons team win.? I hate to burst your "bubble", but BL gets trashed on here because it hovers a few ticks above teams like the one your son plays on. That's the draw for you, isn't it? Nothing to say about your son's team?

Hey Big 4 HHH tournament organizers. My kid and family traveled to your tournament this weekend and spent a lot of money in your town and at your event. The kid played his [lacrosse] off and he and his team won a championship at your tournament. Thanks for the wroten T-shirt that looks like it came out of a good will rummage sale. Also thank you for giving our kids those shirts that are 2 sizes too small... cheap bastards... kids work to hard at these events.. give them something a little better... Ridiculous

If you're teaching your kid that it's about the shirts, you've completely missed the point. Maybe check on the prizes in advance of your next tournament before deciding on going. The true reward isn't made of cotton or plastic. Jeepers.

FWIW - Tourney Machine was incorrect. Mesa beat Madlax 6-2.

Expecting an organization to do a good job is not equivalent to teaching a kid it's all about the shirts. It's more equivalent to teaching him to always do his best and to having high standards

Yup really bad. Looked like they were leftover from another event..cheap to say the least... maybe next year Big 4 HHH will give them a dirty sock

Right. It is about the shirts. Location, competition, good logistics, fields and facility are a distant second. The shirts are the best barometer of an organizations standards. Your priorities are ridiculous. Did you enable your kids ridiculousness when you had that pitty party over the shirt? Or, was the kid fine and had to learn from you that he "should" be unhappy with it. If your kid had a fun experience, played good lacrosse, etc. I'd say the organization did something right. On the other hand, if you were unhappy from the beginning for something more, why not write about that? I'm guessing it was just the shirts or we would have heard otherwise. If you want a "better" T, let me know before we take ours on the next trip to Goodwill. My son has half a dozen he hasn't worn. I think they have a pretty high thread count.

Sorry about the size True Il parent, but the shirts were made for 11 and 12 year olds. Your post-pubescent 14 year old kid should ask the 2021 winner to swap out.

Wow! Is that a response from Big 4 HHH? I would hope not, because if it is, it's pathetic.