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We will offer you some personal observations on this topic albeit from a long term club/elite level coaching experience.

Up until our girls team was a U/12 squad, we kept the group together as a largely town entity. When the team was U/13, an interesting twist had taken place. About half of the team was a premier caliber group and about half the team was a solid, albeit not terribly committed, club (town) team.

During the transition from U/13 to U/14, our coaching staff needed to make the decision as to whether to follow the town approach (and lose the upper half of the team to other top level programs) or move into the premier ranks and make some serious roster changes at our next tryouts.

Based on the fact that the coaches chose to move down the premier league path, some serious cuts were made after the U/13 season and those roster positions were filled with other, and yes, better, players.

We arranged for every cut player to play with our "B" team or if that was not their desired path of action, we made calls to their desired club (since we knew most of the other coaches involved).

Long story for a short answer : the transition takes place in that U/13 to U/14 season.

I have a question. At what age group does talent win out over favoritism toward a lesser talented kid who has connections? Will it ever? Please be respectful just curious. Open to any travel club cause i'm sure it gous on all over. Thanks in advance.

In the eyes of a parent, never, because they almost always view their kids as better than they actually are. I think parents blame political connections for their kid's failure to make a team at a rate exponentially higher than it actually occurs....it's always easier to blame someone else.

Last night at Indoor League in Brentwood, my daughter's team played the Northport 2 team. One girl on the Northport team had on a Northport pinney. Every other girl had on YJ full uniforms. You are not allowed to play for another program if you want to play for Northport.

Last night at Indoor League in Brentwood, my daughter's team played the Northport 2 team. One girl on the Northport team had on a Northport pinney. Every other girl had on YJ full uniforms. You are not allowed to play for another program if you want to play for Northport.

YJ pool is shrinking. there younger teams are not nearly as talented as older teams at same age. starts with 2016 and younger. just watch.

YJ pool is shrinking. there younger teams are not nearly as talented as older teams at same age. starts with 2016 and younger. just watch.

YJ pool is shrinking. there younger teams are not nearly as talented as older teams at same age. starts with 2016 and younger. just watch.

YJ pool is shrinking. there younger teams are not nearly as talented as older teams at same age. starts with 2016 and younger. just watch.

Do D & E teams subsidize Blue teams?

Your missing the point they already ran and went to YJ where they are very happy!

Don't you have anything better to do than count all the YJ kids. So jealous it's actually pathetic. The kids must like being YJ and it's killing you. Have a good night go count some sheep

780 kids made a team, feel bad for the 2-3 girls at each age group who were cut - you really couldn't find room for a couple of more players for each age group? Rosters only average 26-27 players what's one more? Can't everyone be elite?

Unfortunately, there are politics involved, but you have to learn to deal with it. Crying about it won't help. It just makes it worse and makes you look like a sore loser. It's sad that the kids have to learn this at such a young age, but it is one of life’s lessons. My daughter was passed up to make room for someone else’s friend and relative, who were not as talented as my daughter. It hurt at first, but we moved on and she's doing fine. This experience has made her a stronger person and a better player. I actually feel bad for the kid who is on a team they shouldn't be on. She will always be looked upon by her teammates and their parents as the charity case and the weak link. I wouldn't want my kid to have that label.

I guess your one of the 780 elite players - congrats!

Fear the Bee. Not all kids want to play on the YJ's. Their parents make them play and once they are there they stay out of fear.

Unfortunately, there are politics involved, but you have to learn to deal with it. Crying about it won't help. It just makes it worse and makes you look like a sore loser. It's sad that the kids have to learn this at such a young age, but it is one of life’s lessons. My daughter was passed up to make room for someone else’s friend and relative, who were not as talented as my daughter. It hurt at first, but we moved on and she's doing fine. This experience has made her a stronger person and a better player. I actually feel bad for the kid who is on a team they shouldn't be on. She will always be looked upon by her teammates and their parents as the charity case and the weak link. I wouldn't want my kid to have that label.

My daughter made YJ for the first time and is in the 2019 group. The roster didn't have any team colors, just the coach’s name. What team is the best and what team is the worst.

Your post is spot on - the one mosy adversely affected is the kid who everyone knows doesn't belong there. There are actually HS teams that have no-cut policies (CSH for example) and the rest of the team makes it so uncomfortable for the weaker players that they eventualy just stop playing.

I understand ur disappointment but sometimes parents have a hard time evaluating there own child. I know I do so maybe she is exactly where she belongs and enjoy it

I could be wrong, but based on the few girls I know who play I believe the coaches are listed in A,B,C,D order here - just have to match the coach's name to the rosters page:

http://www.eteamz.com/LIEliteLacros...60608&cat=227355&subsite=2055935

I could be wrong, but based on the few girls I know who play I believe the coaches are listed in A,B,C,D order here - just have to match the coach's name to the rosters page:

http://www.eteamz.com/LIEliteLacros...60608&cat=227355&subsite=2055935

The YJ website says "800+" girls tried out for their teams. Not including the alternates, I counted about 770 girls who were given roster spots (to the poster above, I'm good at math so it didn't take too long). This is not a knock on any of the girls, but how can any program in any sport call itself "Elite" when 90-95% of the athletes who try out make a team? Can you say money grab?

Is there a big difference betwen the talent on the teams? For example how much better is 'A' than 'B' or 'C' than 'D'

Out of the $600 fee, how much does CR keep? Your talking $462,000 total. That's alot of dough.

This question appears often in a variety of threads here on BOTC and the answer depends on the prism through which you look at the problem.

Let's say that there are 20 players per team and the players are ranked so that Team A has players #1 to #20, Team B has players #21 to #40, and so forth.

Now, if you compare Team A with Team B by looking at Player #20 versus Player #21, the teams are identical. In fact, it is likely that Team B's Player #21 could take some minutes on Team A is place of Player #20.

However, on average, Team A averages players with a ranking of 10 while Team B averages players with a ranking of 30. So while the best of Team B can play competitively with Team A, the numbers tell you that Team A on the whole will be composed of higher talent players than Team B.

To your question, there tends to be a few truly outstanding players in the Team A rankings which further skews the differences between Teams A and B.

As the move further down the curve, the differences become less noticable although they are still present.