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I ask my nephew, who was a junior at Chaminade at the time. Would you hold your kid back in first grade, he said why wouldn't I. The young generation is very much on to all the tricks to beat the system.
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Why are you all still talking about this? Who the [lacrosse]%# cares? Early recruiting is over.
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Spoken like a true parent of a mediocre public school player. Chin up, buttercup. There is always baseball.
Spoken like a true private school elitist idiot. Private schools excel at Lacrosse not because of the quality of good players but because of the quantity. Many publics have excellent players, just not enough of them. In cases where they do - severna park for example, they can certainly give the privates a run for their money. After 100k+ in private school tuition, congratulations on your sons's comittment to Concordia-Ann Arbor university.
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Actually baseball is a money sport. Most lacrosse players dont have the ability to make it in baseball, basketball or football at D1 level or beyond. That is why all this " grade based garbage" goes on now with the private school parents. They know little johnny cant make it without some kind of edge over other players same age.
If you think lacrosse is the only sport where kids reclass or are held back you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Every sport has it, especially football, more than lacrosse. And before you say lacrosse is the only one where it affects youth levels remember what forum you're on and think about all the football hotbeds where most kids play for their middle school. Stop with the complaining that this is a lacrosse / private school issue. It happens in all sports around the country. [/quote] Perhaps but this is a Maryland Lacrosse forum and MD private schools have elevated this to an art form, ironically helping to kill the thing that they pursued so intently.
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Hillarious that all these 2020 holdbacks that go to MIAA schools that aren't committed now have to wait til their Jr. Year to be able to pound their chest on Ty Xanders twitter account. The holdback game is the scourge of youth lacrosse and hopefully the ER rule change puts an end to it. You obviously don't know the game. There are still many 19's out there that will be making commitments this Fall, so to think there is some great travesty out there with 20's is a false hope. You either are good enough, or you aren't. There are great placements Junior and Senior year at D1, D2, and D3. Relax, worry about yourself dude. As you look out the side and rear windows, there's something coming right at you out the front. Try to enjoy something real, my friend. Uh - there are huge number of kids in the MIAA that re-classed just so they could shine against younger kids and get verbal commitments. That game didn't pay off too well for the ones that aren't committed...
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Holding your child back works unfortunately. Many coaches and parents associated with MIAA have held their sons back for years in prefirst. They know the drill. And many are not summer birthdays as the apologists love to point out. It gives them a boost and if they are a decent player as they get older in their age group..they are a good player when playing down in grade. When HS rolls around many of these players are usually starters on JV at the very least. They usually get more playing time and reps at youth level. After that it is up to them. But there is a reason that starters even in HS are usually Seniors and Juniors..They are older..so being held back is an advantage even in HS. Maybe not as much , but it is.
It's obvious, and comical, when a public school parent tries to explain pre-first, desperately trying to tie it to sports. Just for the record, no, parents aren't holding their kid back in pre-first (at 5-6 years old) because one day they may get an advantage at middle school, or high school sports. Just no. Most kids at this age haven't even started sports, or spend most of the time picking dandelions on the field of whatever sport they did get signed up for, so no, most people aren't just arbitrarily shelling out an extra 25-30k just yet!! Now, for those that can gently remove head from arse for just one moment, let me try to help you. After kindergarten, the schools will conduct a conference with the parents, and most kids in private school are recommended for prefirst. Some object, and move on to first grade, most don't. Unless your kid is really big, really late birthday, really smart, or you are really poor or really old school, most just do it because it seems like the right thing to do (you know, maybe follow an evolving educational system, rather than just do what the government has done for 100 years). Private school is just simply more challenging, so not surprised there is an extra grade, for those that wish to do it. And, no, kindergarten and first grade teachers don't give a monkey turd about MS or HS lacrosse. They care about childhood development, as in social and academic. This whole reality is why we see many lateral transfers from public to private, or some repeating in MS, because they are behind the pre-first kids. Sure, there are some kids and parents out there with a big chip on their shoulder when they step out on the lacrosse field as a holdback, but the schools make very thoughtful decisions when it comes to evaluating a kid's option to repeat a grade. The argument as it pertains to the club lacrosse brackets should be a rules argument with the league, not criticism to parents or players for the educational decisions they make as a family. Only one making excuses is you. No one cares about prefirst and what you do with your child for any reason in school. Even for sports in school. Who cares. What people have an issue with is the select kids being able to play down in YOUTH sports. Do you get that.. The majority of kids did not do prefirst or go to private school... Why do these select kids get an advantage other children same exact birthday and age dont get?? This is YOUTH sports..all should get it or none..pretty simple concept except to long winded apologists like you who want to bring strawman arguments into this issue. I am very familiar with the MIAA Balt private schools. They are great schools to educate children. I had one finish and Two still go to private. And if you dont think that sports is thought of when these kids do prefirst...well you either are ignorant or have your head in sand. Of course other factors are also responsible as some children dont even play sports that do prefirst. Most schools encourage strongly the parents of kindergarten boys to do prefirst if they are born in the summer. Just because someone chooses to send their kid to a third world school with a curriculum from the stone age, doesn't mean I have to tell my private school 2nd grader to pretend he/she is a 3rd grader at lacrosse practice. Of course not at school. But in the outside world of youth sports they go by age. Ooops..Not youth lacrosse. They give special privileges to select kids that were heldback in school and let them play down..Ooops I mean it is within the rules Spoken like a true parent of a mediocre public school player. Chin up, buttercup. There is always baseball. Actually baseball is a money sport. Most lacrosse players dont have the ability to make it in baseball, basketball or football at D1 level or beyond. That is why all this " grade based garbage" goes on now with the private school parents. They know little johnny cant make it without some kind of edge over other players same age. Actually no. I doubt there are many mid-westerners or aspiring baseball/football players on here, but welcome. This is actually simply an argument caused by differing school curriculums in the mid-atlantic at private vs. public schools, now spreading North and a bit South. Whatever you are talking about probably goes on in other sports, but this is a lacrosse forum. Lacrosse players love to play lacrosse, but typically are looking for a professional career outside of playing sports for money. Lacrosse in college is for competition, better collegiate opportunities, social and future professional connections and opportunities. No, lacrosse is not typically a fall back sport that we play because we couldn't make it in a money sport. Lacrosse players who play this as their primary sport typically make that decision as a youth, because they love the sport.
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Hillarious that all these 2020 holdbacks that go to MIAA schools that aren't committed now have to wait til their Jr. Year to be able to pound their chest on Ty Xanders twitter account. The holdback game is the scourge of youth lacrosse and hopefully the ER rule change puts an end to it. You obviously don't know the game. There are still many 19's out there that will be making commitments this Fall, so to think there is some great travesty out there with 20's is a false hope. You either are good enough, or you aren't. There are great placements Junior and Senior year at D1, D2, and D3. Relax, worry about yourself dude. As you look out the side and rear windows, there's something coming right at you out the front. Try to enjoy something real, my friend. Uh - there are huge number of kids in the MIAA that re-classed just so they could shine against younger kids and get verbal commitments. That game didn't pay off too well for the ones that aren't committed... Fake news. Now we are basing the future success of a kid, or lack of success, on a collegiate career that hasn't occurred yet! The race is to get to the finish line, hon, not get told half way through that you don't have to race anymore. Go enjoy your life, stop creating fake milestones in other peoples' lives, and trying to enjoy some non-existent disparity. You did reach the finish line of being a loser, so you can rejoice in that, however.
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Oh my lord, just let public school club lax players freakin play down -1 year from their grade already, if they choose. After one season, they'll start complaining that it doesn't make sense to play outside of their grad year anymore, because they aren't with their classmates, and as they approach HS the system has to be grad year, because it is the only way to make recruiting and tourneys relevant....oh wait a minute.....sh*t
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Why are you all still talking about this? Who the [lacrosse]%# cares? Early recruiting is over. Not sure that's really true - there are loopholes using indirect communication. Have the final rules been published?
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Hillarious that all these 2020 holdbacks that go to MIAA schools that aren't committed now have to wait til their Jr. Year to be able to pound their chest on Ty Xanders twitter account. The holdback game is the scourge of youth lacrosse and hopefully the ER rule change puts an end to it. You obviously don't know the game. There are still many 19's out there that will be making commitments this Fall, so to think there is some great travesty out there with 20's is a false hope. You either are good enough, or you aren't. There are great placements Junior and Senior year at D1, D2, and D3. Relax, worry about yourself dude. As you look out the side and rear windows, there's something coming right at you out the front. Try to enjoy something real, my friend. Uh - there are huge number of kids in the MIAA that re-classed just so they could shine against younger kids and get verbal commitments. That game didn't pay off too well for the ones that aren't committed... numbers of kids who reclass by repeating 8th or 9th grade is not huge. a handful each year. kids who had a prefirst - probably around 25% of each class - give or take 10% depending on which school.
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Hillarious that all these 2020 holdbacks that go to MIAA schools that aren't committed now have to wait til their Jr. Year to be able to pound their chest on Ty Xanders twitter account. The holdback game is the scourge of youth lacrosse and hopefully the ER rule change puts an end to it. You obviously don't know the game. There are still many 19's out there that will be making commitments this Fall, so to think there is some great travesty out there with 20's is a false hope. You either are good enough, or you aren't. There are great placements Junior and Senior year at D1, D2, and D3. Relax, worry about yourself dude. As you look out the side and rear windows, there's something coming right at you out the front. Try to enjoy something real, my friend. Uh - there are huge number of kids in the MIAA that re-classed just so they could shine against younger kids and get verbal commitments. That game didn't pay off too well for the ones that aren't committed... numbers of kids who reclass by repeating 8th or 9th grade is not huge. a handful each year. kids who had a prefirst - probably around 25% of each class - give or take 10% depending on which school. 50% of boys in my one of my sons grades in lower school did prefirst. Other son is was closer to 1/3.. Was less as they got older and let more students in.
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Holding your child back works unfortunately. Many coaches and parents associated with MIAA have held their sons back for years in prefirst. They know the drill. And many are not summer birthdays as the apologists love to point out. It gives them a boost and if they are a decent player as they get older in their age group..they are a good player when playing down in grade. When HS rolls around many of these players are usually starters on JV at the very least. They usually get more playing time and reps at youth level. After that it is up to them. But there is a reason that starters even in HS are usually Seniors and Juniors..They are older..so being held back is an advantage even in HS. Maybe not as much , but it is.
It's obvious, and comical, when a public school parent tries to explain pre-first, desperately trying to tie it to sports. Just for the record, no, parents aren't holding their kid back in pre-first (at 5-6 years old) because one day they may get an advantage at middle school, or high school sports. Just no. Most kids at this age haven't even started sports, or spend most of the time picking dandelions on the field of whatever sport they did get signed up for, so no, most people aren't just arbitrarily shelling out an extra 25-30k just yet!! Now, for those that can gently remove head from arse for just one moment, let me try to help you. After kindergarten, the schools will conduct a conference with the parents, and most kids in private school are recommended for prefirst. Some object, and move on to first grade, most don't. Unless your kid is really big, really late birthday, really smart, or you are really poor or really old school, most just do it because it seems like the right thing to do (you know, maybe follow an evolving educational system, rather than just do what the government has done for 100 years). Private school is just simply more challenging, so not surprised there is an extra grade, for those that wish to do it. And, no, kindergarten and first grade teachers don't give a monkey turd about MS or HS lacrosse. They care about childhood development, as in social and academic. This whole reality is why we see many lateral transfers from public to private, or some repeating in MS, because they are behind the pre-first kids. Sure, there are some kids and parents out there with a big chip on their shoulder when they step out on the lacrosse field as a holdback, but the schools make very thoughtful decisions when it comes to evaluating a kid's option to repeat a grade. The argument as it pertains to the club lacrosse brackets should be a rules argument with the league, not criticism to parents or players for the educational decisions they make as a family.
Only one making excuses is you. No one cares about prefirst and what you do with your child for any reason in school. Even for sports in school. Who cares. What people have an issue with is the select kids being able to play down in YOUTH sports. Do you get that.. The majority of kids did not do prefirst or go to private school... Why do these select kids get an advantage other children same exact birthday and age dont get?? This is YOUTH sports..all should get it or none..pretty simple concept except to long winded apologists like you who want to bring strawman arguments into this issue.
I am very familiar with the MIAA Balt private schools. They are great schools to educate children. I had one finish and Two still go to private. And if you dont think that sports is thought of when these kids do prefirst...well you either are ignorant or have your head in sand. Of course other factors are also responsible as some children dont even play sports that do prefirst. Most schools encourage strongly the parents of kindergarten boys to do prefirst if they are born in the summer.
Just because someone chooses to send their kid to a third world school with a curriculum from the stone age, doesn't mean I have to tell my private school 2nd grader to pretend he/she is a 3rd grader at lacrosse practice.
Of course not at school. But in the outside world of youth sports they go by age. Ooops..Not youth lacrosse. They give special privileges to select kids that were heldback in school and let them play down..Ooops I mean it is within the rules Spoken like a true parent of a mediocre public school player. Chin up, buttercup. There is always baseball. Actually baseball is a money sport. Most lacrosse players dont have the ability to make it in baseball, basketball or football at D1 level or beyond. That is why all this " grade based garbage" goes on now with the private school parents. They know little johnny cant make it without some kind of edge over other players same age. Actually no. I doubt there are many mid-westerners or aspiring baseball/football players on here, but welcome. This is actually simply an argument caused by differing school curriculums in the mid-atlantic at private vs. public schools, now spreading North and a bit South. Whatever you are talking about probably goes on in other sports, but this is a lacrosse forum. Lacrosse players love to play lacrosse, but typically are looking for a professional career outside of playing sports for money. Lacrosse in college is for competition, better collegiate opportunities, social and future professional connections and opportunities. No, lacrosse is not typically a fall back sport that we play because we couldn't make it in a money sport. Lacrosse players who play this as their primary sport typically make that decision as a youth, because they love the sport. There are some nice athletics for sure, and many are better than student athletics at some other college sports. But come on..Very few are going to play D1 football or D1 Basketball no matter how hard they try. Listen we need a sport for the 5-8 to 6-1 white guy. This is it!
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BS on the number of reclassed kids in the MIAA is small. Just watch the players on FCA, Loonies and Crabs migrate to grade below. It's how the game is played in Baltimore.
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It's played elsewhere as well. My guy is on grade and is only one of four that is not pre-first, reclassed or both. The facts are the facts and those kids are committed to top academic D1's or Committed to the process at the IVY's, the end justifies the means.
One thing I have seen is that the age difference advantage is collaspsing materially. I am not sure if there is much room for the late-bloomers, but I am sure that a reasonable amount of kids will pass the early commits, hopefully coaches will find them.
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Everyone talks about this re-class thing or pre-first etc. like its a huge crime, Lacrosse has become a huge money maker for schools, coaches etc and now the parents should use it for what its worth. And this is what I mean, if you re-class your child for whatever reason and it helps him athletically, academically, and helps him get into a great school of his choice then as a parent you did what you should do. There's a very prominent lacrosse family whose kids have graduated from JHU, UVA, Georgetown, Rutgers, Boston U all because of lacrosse. Based on those degrees I would say the investment they made more then paid off. btw I wish my parents held me back more...this work thing sucks!
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I thought Spalding was going to be contender this year? This was FINALLY supposed to be the year. They are now 5-10 overall and winless in the conference, with St. Pauls, and McDonogh looming. What is going on? Who is steering this ship of alleged studs?
This would be a good moment for one of the Spalding dads to put down his red cup and remind us of how great they are going to be some day in the future. For your own safety and for the safety of those around you, please hold off typing until you get out of the traffic jam on I-97.
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I thought Spalding was going to be contender this year? This was FINALLY supposed to be the year. They are now 5-10 overall and winless in the conference, with St. Pauls, and McDonogh looming. What is going on? Who is steering this ship of alleged studs?
This would be a good moment for one of the Spalding dads to put down his red cup and remind us of how great they are going to be some day in the future. For your own safety and for the safety of those around you, please hold off typing until you get out of the traffic jam on I-97. And Severn was really supposed to be good this year and was ranked at the top before conference season started. They are still looking for their first win as well. Can no one coach these kids in AA county?
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[quote=Anonymous]Can no one coach these kids in AA county? LOL, but don't forget St. Mary's won the A conference championship just two seasons ago with AA county kids. St. Mary's has been solidly in the A conference mix pretty much every year (with the exception of last year). The other two, not so much.
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[quote=Anonymous]Can no one coach these kids in AA county? LOL, but don't forget St. Mary's won the A conference championship just two seasons ago with AA county kids. St. Mary's has been solidly in the A conference mix pretty much every year (with the exception of last year). The other two, not so much. And then their coach went to Loyola. That St. Mary's team was full of seniors with a dominant fogo. That is the only time St. Mary's was ever even in the finals so lets not pretend that they were "in the A conference mix every year". Other than upsetting St Pauls they haven't done anything this year either.
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[quote=Anonymous]Can no one coach these kids in AA county? LOL, but don't forget St. Mary's won the A conference championship just two seasons ago with AA county kids. St. Mary's has been solidly in the A conference mix pretty much every year (with the exception of last year). The other two, not so much. And then their coach went to Loyola. That St. Mary's team was full of seniors with a dominant fogo. That is the only time St. Mary's was ever even in the finals so lets not pretend that they were "in the A conference mix every year". Other than upsetting St Pauls they haven't done anything this year either. Nice try. Are you 14 and on the Loyola Freshman team?
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[quote=Anonymous]Can no one coach these kids in AA county? LOL, but don't forget St. Mary's won the A conference championship just two seasons ago with AA county kids. St. Mary's has been solidly in the A conference mix pretty much every year (with the exception of last year). The other two, not so much. And then their coach went to Loyola. That St. Mary's team was full of seniors with a dominant fogo. That is the only time St. Mary's was ever even in the finals so lets not pretend that they were "in the A conference mix every year". Other than upsetting St Pauls they haven't done anything this year either. Nice try. Are you 14 and on the Loyola Freshman team? Nope. I'm 16 and on the Calvert Hall Freshman team! And I play for FCA in the summer, the 2020 team!
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Everyone talks about this re-class thing or pre-first etc. like its a huge crime, Lacrosse has become a huge money maker for schools, coaches etc and now the parents should use it for what its worth. And this is what I mean, if you re-class your child for whatever reason and it helps him athletically, academically, and helps him get into a great school of his choice then as a parent you did what you should do. There's a very prominent lacrosse family whose kids have graduated from JHU, UVA, Georgetown, Rutgers, Boston U all because of lacrosse. Based on those degrees I would say the investment they made more then paid off. btw I wish my parents held me back more...this work thing sucks! Everyone talks about this re-class thing or pre-first etc. like its a huge crime, Lacrosse has become a huge money maker for schools, coaches etc and now the parents should use it for what its worth. And this is what I mean, if you re-class your child for whatever reason and it helps him athletically, academically, and helps him get into a great school of his choice then as a parent you did what you should do. There's a very prominent lacrosse family whose kids have graduated from JHU, UVA, Georgetown, Rutgers, Boston U all because of lacrosse. Based on those degrees I would say the investment they made more then paid off. btw I wish my parents held me back more...this work thing sucks! Everyone talks about this re-class thing or pre-first etc. like its a huge crime, Lacrosse has become a huge money maker for schools, coaches etc and now the parents should use it for what its worth. And this is what I mean, if you re-class your child for whatever reason and it helps him athletically, academically, and helps him get into a great school of his choice then as a parent you did what you should do. There's a very prominent lacrosse family whose kids have graduated from JHU, UVA, Georgetown, Rutgers, Boston U all because of lacrosse. Based on those degrees I would say the investment they made more then paid off. btw I wish my parents held me back more...this work thing sucks! And what has this prominent lacrosse family accomplished??? Assistant Hopkins women's lacrosse coach. Sorry I prefer grad school and a doctorate.
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Spalding hasn't won a league game in three years and they were up 5-1 in second half and lost 6-5 to a winless MSJ. Wow, that's a team the red cups dads have been clamoring about with the loaded 2017 class for a long time. Tough to see those seniors graduate without ever winning a league game.
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Spalding hasn't won a league game in three years and they were up 5-1 in second half and lost 6-5 to a winless MSJ. Wow, that's a team the red cups dads have been clamoring about with the loaded 2017 class for a long time. Tough to see those seniors graduate without ever winning a league game. Have no fear... some stud 2021s are swooping in to save the day over at Spalding. Sure, this group can't put together a winning record in the Hoco league as eighth graders but their dads tell me they are really REALLY good.
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[quote=Anonymous]Can no one coach these kids in AA county? LOL, but don't forget St. Mary's won the A conference championship just two seasons ago with AA county kids. St. Mary's has been solidly in the A conference mix pretty much every year (with the exception of last year). The other two, not so much. And then their coach went to Loyola. That St. Mary's team was full of seniors with a dominant fogo. That is the only time St. Mary's was ever even in the finals so lets not pretend that they were "in the A conference mix every year". Other than upsetting St Pauls they haven't done anything this year either. Nice try. Are you 14 and on the Loyola Freshman team? Nope. I'm 16 and on the Calvert Hall Freshman team! And I play for FCA in the summer, the 2020 team! Hold back Blue?
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Funny, Calvert Hall does have a 16 year old Freshman who plays on the FCA 2020 team. Lefty Attack committed to Ohio State. Early 2001 birthday. Which is closer to 2018 cutoff than 2020. But who's counting.
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How about St. John's beating Gonzaga for the WCAC title?
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Spalding is not going to be good any time soon. Book it.
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Gonzaga had a down year. And WCAC was weak. Paul VI continued to under deliver with the alleged talent that they are supposed to have. Would St. John's even win a game in the MIAA???
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Funny, Calvert Hall does have a 16 year old Freshman who plays on the FCA 2020 team. Lefty Attack committed to Ohio State. Early 2001 birthday. Which is closer to 2018 cutoff than 2020. But who's counting. Apparently, you.
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Paul VI does less with more than any team in the WCAC.
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Paul VI does less with more than any team in the WCAC. SJC getting rid of Trig was a turning point for the team. Brought the team together like a family.
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Spalding is not going to be good any time soon. Book it. Until Phipps cleans house with his coaching staff both JV and varsity daddy ball is not a way to win in the MIAA
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Spalding is not going to be good any time soon. Book it. Until Phipps cleans house with his coaching staff both JV and varsity daddy ball is not a way to win in the MIAA No, no no... I hear the elite 2021 class comes with their own dad coaches.
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Yeah, they beat Spalding. Last time I checked, MIAA team.
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Last time I checked, Spalding was MIAA. SJC beat them.
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They beat Spalding this year...in the next 2 years spalding will be moved down and John Carroll will move up.
Spalding hasn't beat a team other than MSJ or Severn in over 5 years while JC is beating up the B teams. The move is going to happen soon...
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