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You totally missed the point Pat and what does AJ's pedigree have to do with it? His kid took away a spot of a kid who paid $185 and is most likely better and deserving of the spot. That is flat out wrong. Plenty of coaches out there doing their thing without having to compromise the integrity of a tryout. PAL is where Daddy coaches should be. When it comes to families laying out money, Daddy coach needs to put his personal situation aside and do what is right. If he can't, don't coach.

This could have all been avoided if Warrior put up a disclaimer prior to tryouts stating that the 3 coaches boys will be guaranteed a spot. Maybe 10 less kids show up but at least it would have been upfront and transparent.

Says Pat Lough

Against my better judgement, I am writing this reply to several of things that have been posted about me, or several other people that are involved with the 2023 Lacrosse Community. I make it a practice to stay off of this website, because I think it has degenerated into a [lacrosse] and complaint site rather then it's original purpose, for people to share information about the Sport of Lacrosse.

I have coached the game of Lacrosse for better then fifteen years at both the PAL and travel levels, and been fortunate to be part of several quality organizations, such as my home town Rough Rider Program, the Long Island Outlaws, and the Long Island Express. I coached four years with the Outlaws and had the opportunity to coach a lot of great kids, and make some great friendships with their families. I have no issues with it's Leadership in Pat Brennan or his son's. I have a Great deal of respect for Mike Brennan as a coach and as a person, and I count him as a friend. My move to the Express with my sons was a personal choice made within my family. I currently have the opportunity to coach both a 2023 and a 2019 team with the Express, and I am fortunate to be able to continue to work with and learn from two Extremely Experienced Coaches in Karl Hedstrom and Doug Schrieber, and both of my sons are having very positive experiences, playing with their teams.

For those of you that make comments about AJ Haugen and especially his son, you should be ashamed of yourself. AJ's Lacrosse pedigree speaks for itself, different then a lot of people that hold themselves out as an authority on this website, and are all too quick to criticize those that coach! To call someone a scumbag, or a group of coaches scumbags is just ignorant and cowardice. More importantly anyone that makes disparaging remarks about any child on this website needs counseling. My son did not make AJ's team at last years try-outs, because he did not perform well enough at try-outs to warrant replacing one of the players on the team. He was the first to admit it, after the try-out results were posted.

I take exception with people making comments about either my son or myself under the protection of posting anonymously. Those of you whose sons I have coached, know that I care very much about the boys in my charge, and that I care about the experience that they have with me as their coach. Does my style gel with everyone, probably not, but isn't that usually the case. If you have an issue with me, have the courage to take it up with me directly.

For all the people that spend countless time on this website: If you don't like your sons travel organization, it's leadership or their coach, go somewhere else. There are plenty of choice available on Long Island. For those of you that don't like how the Empire, Brine or Warrior Teams are selected, speak with your wallet, and just don't try-out. Your sons future in the sport of lacrosse will not be defined by whether or not they make one of these teams in sixth grade.

I was recently told that Mike Chanenchuk Jr. was cut from the Empire team,when he tried out, and obviously things worked out OK for him.

I'll end this here, but not anonymously,

Patrick Lough

You totally missed the point Pat and what does AJ's pedigree have to do with it? His kid took away a spot of a kid who paid $185 and is most likely better and deserving of the spot. That is flat out wrong. Plenty of coaches out there doing their thing without having to compromise the integrity of a tryout. PAL is where Daddy coaches should be. When it comes to families laying out money, Daddy coach needs to put his personal situation aside and do what is right. If he can't, don't coach.

This could have all been avoided if Warrior put up a disclaimer prior to tryouts stating that the 3 coaches boys will be guaranteed a spot. Maybe 10 less kids show up but at least it would have been upfront and transparent.

You totally missed the point Pat and what does AJ's pedigree have to do with it? His kid took away a spot of a kid who paid $185 and is most likely better and deserving of the spot. That is flat out wrong. Plenty of coaches out there doing their thing without having to compromise the integrity of a tryout. PAL is where Daddy coaches should be. When it comes to families laying out money, Daddy coach needs to put his personal situation aside and do what is right. If he can't, don't coach.

This could have all been avoided if Warrior put up a disclaimer prior to tryouts stating that the 3 coaches boys will be guaranteed a spot. Maybe 10 less kids show up but at least it would have been upfront and transparent.

You totally missed the point Pat and what does AJ's pedigree have to do with it? His kid took away a spot of a kid who paid $185 and is most likely better and deserving of the spot. That is flat out wrong. Plenty of coaches out there doing their thing without having to compromise the integrity of a tryout. PAL is where Daddy coaches should be. When it comes to families laying out money, Daddy coach needs to put his personal situation aside and do what is right. If he can't, don't coach.

This could have all been avoided if Warrior put up a disclaimer prior to tryouts stating that the 3 coaches boys will be guaranteed a spot. Maybe 10 less kids show up but at least it would have been upfront and transparent.

You totally missed the point Pat and what does AJ's pedigree have to do with it? His kid took away a spot of a kid who paid $185 and is most likely better and deserving of the spot. That is flat out wrong. Plenty of coaches out there doing their thing without having to compromise the integrity of a tryout. PAL is where Daddy coaches should be. When it comes to families laying out money, Daddy coach needs to put his personal situation aside and do what is right. If he can't, don't coach.

This could have all been avoided if Warrior put up a disclaimer prior to tryouts stating that the 3 coaches boys will be guaranteed a spot. Maybe 10 less kids show up but at least it would have been upfront and transparent.

You totally missed the point Pat and what does AJ's pedigree have to do with it? His kid took away a spot of a kid who paid $185 and is most likely better and deserving of the spot. That is flat out wrong. Plenty of coaches out there doing their thing without having to compromise the integrity of a tryout. PAL is where Daddy coaches should be. When it comes to families laying out money, Daddy coach needs to put his personal situation aside and do what is right. If he can't, don't coach.

This could have all been avoided if Warrior put up a disclaimer prior to tryouts stating that the 3 coaches boys will be guaranteed a spot. Maybe 10 less kids show up but at least it would have been upfront and transparent.

I knew this was a bad idea, my sixth grade PAL team if that is what you are speaking of has 16 players, four of which play for the Express, two that play for Igloo, and one that plays for the Outlaws, the other nine play spring PAL only. Sorry that it worked out that way, and we play in Division II.

Funny also how posted and says"I dont ever post or read this site yet has posted twice in last hour. Playing Low level PAL w a team of travel players. you can sign your name and act the part but people know how you rant and rave. You even posted how your son had such a great tryout and should of made it. PLEASE We know you! You sign your name after ripping people to cover your tracks, Express will be better when your gone

You play in division II. I guess enough people complained to PAL that you were playing in the D division the past few years. Yes you're a role model sorry people talked about you. I have 6 travel players on my team. How about the other teams with none in your division. Oh why don't you tell us about the scores of your games the past few years..

I knew this was a bad idea, my sixth grade PAL team if that is what you are speaking of has 16 players, four of which play for the Express, two that play for Igloo, and one that plays for the Outlaws, the other nine play spring PAL only. Sorry that it worked out that way, and we play in Division II.

You play in division II. I guess enough people complained to PAL that you were playing in the D division the past few years. Yes you're a role model sorry people talked about you. I have 6 travel players on my team. How about the other teams with none in your division. Oh why don't you tell us about the scores of your games the past few years..

Beat harborfields 8-1. Beat bayville 10-2. Beat bethpage 6-2. All with four goal rule. Outscored teams 24-5. PAL Parity.

Guy never comes on this site is up to three posts in a few hours. Should of just said I don't usually sign my name lolol

Beat harborfields 8-1. Beat bayville 10-2. Beat bethpage 6-2. All with four goal rule. Outscored teams 24-5. PAL Parity.

Beat harborfields 8-1. Beat bayville 10-2. Beat bethpage 6-2. All with four goal rule. Outscored teams 24-5. PAL Parity.

What town is this? If it is who I think, he asked to play up and PAL didn't comply.

Ok coach thanks for the score updates, sorry your team lost. If you were a better coach to the kids then maybe they would play competitively in games. So until you post your name and town to what you pos you aret just an angry failure to your son and team.

I knew this was a bad idea, my sixth grade PAL team if that is what you are speaking of has 16 players, four of which play for the Express, two that play for Igloo, and one that plays for the Outlaws, the other nine play spring PAL only. Sorry that it worked out that way, and we play in Division II.

Ok coach thanks for the score updates, sorry your team lost. If you were a better coach to the kids then maybe they would play competitively in games. So until you post your name and town to what you pos you aret just an angry failure to your son and team.

Ok angry daddy, sorry but your son won't amount to much especially if he is anything like you. Someone who posts anonymously and bashes people all because his son lost a game. You are in the running for loser of the yea, I bet your wife drives you from the games because your so angry that you lost....get over yourself

Against my better judgement, I am writing this reply to several of things that have been posted about me, or several other people that are involved with the 2023 Lacrosse Community. I make it a practice to stay off of this website, because I think it has degenerated into a [lacrosse] and complaint site rather then it's original purpose, for people to share information about the Sport of Lacrosse.

I have coached the game of Lacrosse for better then fifteen years at both the PAL and travel levels, and been fortunate to be part of several quality organizations, such as my home town Rough Rider Program, the Long Island Outlaws, and the Long Island Express. I coached four years with the Outlaws and had the opportunity to coach a lot of great kids, and make some great friendships with their families. I have no issues with it's Leadership in Pat Brennan or his son's. I have a Great deal of respect for Mike Brennan as a coach and as a person, and I count him as a friend. My move to the Express with my sons was a personal choice made within my family. I currently have the opportunity to coach both a 2023 and a 2019 team with the Express, and I am fortunate to be able to continue to work with and learn from two Extremely Experienced Coaches in Karl Hedstrom and Doug Schrieber, and both of my sons are having very positive experiences, playing with their teams.

For those of you that make comments about AJ Haugen and especially his son, you should be ashamed of yourself. AJ's Lacrosse pedigree speaks for itself, different then a lot of people that hold themselves out as an authority on this website, and are all too quick to criticize those that coach! To call someone a scumbag, or a group of coaches scumbags is just ignorant and cowardice. More importantly anyone that makes disparaging remarks about any child on this website needs counseling. My son did not make AJ's team at last years try-outs, because he did not perform well enough at try-outs to warrant replacing one of the players on the team. He was the first to admit it, after the try-out results were posted.

I take exception with people making comments about either my son or myself under the protection of posting anonymously. Those of you whose sons I have coached, know that I care very much about the boys in my charge, and that I care about the experience that they have with me as their coach. Does my style gel with everyone, probably not, but isn't that usually the case. If you have an issue with me, have the courage to take it up with me directly.

For all the people that spend countless time on this website: If you don't like your sons travel organization, it's leadership or their coach, go somewhere else. There are plenty of choice available on Long Island. For those of you that don't like how the Empire, Brine or Warrior Teams are selected, speak with your wallet, and just don't try-out. Your sons future in the sport of lacrosse will not be defined by whether or not they make one of these teams in sixth grade.

I was recently told that Mike Chanenchuk Jr. was cut from the Empire team,when he tried out, and obviously things worked out OK for him.

I'll end this here, but not anonymously,

Patrick Lough
Coach,
While my son does not play on your team, I would like to thank you and all the coaches in both Travel and PAL. You sacrifice your time and family so we can all watch our kids play a sport they enjoy.
You know you can't win when no matter what you do it's wrong. You lose and your an awful coach, you win and your a psychopath that plays kids older than the group you coach or you play down. You cut kids and it's cause of politics.
People are always gonna cry about stuff, but none of them will ever step up to try and change it. They certainly are not going to sacrifice their free time or stand in front of you to talk about their concerns. Keep doing what your doing.

Rough Riders, and PAL didnt comply
must be a bethpage dad complaining probably the one that was escorted off the field

Express having a lot of trouble today. Tied an average Laxachusettes team and just tied Warriors. Making all those changes and the team is worse than it's ever been. BM must be laughing hard today. Go get 'me AJ!!!! Nice job. Did you start your son???

Ahhhhhhhh he plays for the Bandits. But ok.