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Spalding has been saying they are great for years with absolutely nothing to show for it. They start 8 seniors this year and aren't going to win a conference game. The 2017 class has maybe 2 or 3 miaa wins over the past four seasons. Every year same song.. they claim this is our year and we all know how it always ends...
The "amazing" 2021 class is a group of kids who think they are better then they are from a club team that has lost as many games as they have won the past two years. Their parents and spalding coaches have been telling them they are amazing... same ending to that old song is coming once again. For anyone to say they could win a championship let alone two in a row has never seen miaa lacrosse. The only team from AA county to ever win it is St Mary's a couple times and I'm not sure if Spalding has ever even made the playoffs and Severn has had a couple nice runs including last year and likely this year but far more 0/1/2 win conference seasons.

Parents are going to learn that at some point the kids need coaching to develop and win games so either their babies aren't that good or the coaches aren't developing them but something is very wrong at spalding.

Unless you have a full team of on age Athletic superstars ..you cant beat the Senior laden ( Juniors held back) and College Freshman ( seniors held back) of the top teams in MIAA.. The McD, BL, St P have to much talent along with these older players.

What's next, holdback argument for college lacrosse. Weak.

Where do folks get information? Doesn't make sense to be a 16 year old on BL 21 class....would not be eligible to play senior year if that was the case. 2021 Class kids are born 2002-2003 or later. And your comparing Spalding vs BL? Come on...The previous posters said plenty on that comparison.

Let it go... you can't argue with stupid, jealous people. Clearly someone has a personal vendetta against a 15 year old WH girl. Troll

RECRUITING RUNDOWN’S HIGH SCHOOL TOP 25 – WEEK 5, APRIL 19TH


After Top 25 wins over Bullis and St. Ignatius Prep, Landon (Md.) takes over the No. 1 spot from Hill Academy (Ont.), pushing its record to 12-0 just over halfway through the Bears’ season. Elsewhere, little change occurred within the Top 10, besides Victor (N.Y.) sliding in with a week of solid tests against Midwest prep notables coming up.


1. Landon (Md.), 12-0 | Previously: No. 3
Last Week: beat Bullis (Md.) 10-8, DeMatha (Md.) 13-8, St. Ignatius (Calif.) 15-11
This Week: 4/19 vs. Cardinal Gibbons (N.C.), 4/21 vs. St. Albans (D.C.), 4/24 vs. Robinson (Va.)

2. Hill Academy (Ont.), 11-0 | Previously: No. 1
Last Week: Idle
This Week: 4/22 vs. Shaker Heights (Oh.), 4/23 vs. Culver (Ind.)

3. Darien (Conn.), 6-0 | Previously: No. 2
Last Week: Beat Manhasset (N.Y.) 12-8, Fairfield-Warde (Conn.) 18-4
This Week: 4/22 at Wilton (Conn.), 4/25 vs. St. Joseph-Trumbull (Conn.)

4. Culver (Ind.), 10-1 | Previously: No. 4
Last Week: beat Everest Academy (Ont.) 12-11, Kiski Prep (Pa.) 14-3
This Week: 4/22 vs. Detroit Catholic Central (Mich.), 4/23 vs. Hill Academy (Ont.)

5. McDonogh (Md.), 9-1 | Previously: No. 5
Last Week: beat Mt. St. Joseph (Md.) 19-6
This Week: 4/21 at Calvert Hall (Md.), 4/25 at Severn (Md.)

6. Chaminade (N.Y.), 4-1 | Previously: No. 6
Last Week: beat Fairfield Prep (Conn.) 17-7
This Week: 4/20 vs. St. Ignatius (Calif.), 4/22 at Yorktown (N.Y.), 4/25 vs. Kellenberg Memorial (N.Y.)

7. Cold Spring Harbor (N.Y.), 8-0 | Previously: No. 7
Last Week: beat John Jay (N.Y.) 9-7, Huntington (N.Y.) 16-12
This Week: 4/19 vs. Floral Park (N.Y.), 4/22 at North Shore (N.Y.)

8. Avon Old Farms (Conn.), 7-0 | Previously: No. 8
Last Week: beat Berkshire (Mass.) 18-6, Tabor Academy (Mass.) 21-3
This Week: 4/22 at Choate (Conn.), 4/26 at Westminster (Conn.)

9. Brunswick (Conn.), 5-1 | Previously: No. 9
Last Week: beat Taft (Conn.) 14-9, New Canaan (Conn.) 7-5
This Week: 4/19 vs. Lawrenceville (N.J.), 4/22 at Hotchkiss (Conn.)

10. Victor (N.Y.), 5-0 | Previously: No. 11
Last Week: beat Brighton (N.Y.) 15-9
This Week: 4/20 vs. Loyola Academy (Ill.), 4/23 vs. Brother Rice (Mich.)

11. Deerfield (Mass.), 4-1 | Previously: No. 12
Last Week: beat Navy Prep (R.I.) 14-8, Choate (Conn.) 17-4
This Week: 4/19 at Trinity-Pawling (N.Y.), 4/22 at Taft (Conn.)

12. La Salle (Pa.), 7-1 | Previously: No. 13
Last Week: beat Radnor (Pa.) 13-3, Father Judge (Pa.) 19-1
This Week: 4/19 at Conwell Egan (Pa.), 4/20 at Lansdale Catholic (Pa.), 4/25 at St. Joseph’s Prep (Pa.)

13. Delbarton (N.J.), 5-1 | Previously: No. 16
Last Week: lost to Seton Hall Prep (N.J.) 8-7, beat St. Anthony’s (N.Y.) 19-10
This Week: 4/19 vs. Sparta (N.J.), 4/22 vs. Malvern Prep (Pa.)

14. Bullis (Md.), 13-2 | Previously: No. 15
Last Week: lost to Landon (Md.) 10-8, beat West Chester East (Pa.) 15-5, Cardinal Gibbons (N.C.) 10-4
This Week: 4/21 vs. Georgetown Prep (Md.), 4/26 vs. St. John Paul The Great (Va.)

15. St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), 5-2 | Previously: No. 19
Last Week: beat Boys’ Latin (Md.) 12-9, lost to Delbarton (N.J.) 19-10
This Week: 4/20 at Iona Prep (N.Y.), 4/22 vs. Niskayuna (N.Y.)

16. Boys’ Latin (Md.), 7-3 | Previously: No. 14
Last Week: lost to St. Anthony’s (N.Y.) 12-9, beat Severn (Md.) 16-11
This Week: 4/21 at Mt. St. Joe (Md.), 4/25 at St. Mary’s (Md.)

17. St. Paul’s (Md.), 10-1 | Previously: NR
Last Week: beat Loyola Blakefield (Md.) 9-4
This Week: 4/21 at St. Mary’s (Md.), 4/25 at Mt. St. Joe (Md.)

18. IMG Academy (Fla.), 9-1 | Previously: No. 17
Last Week: Idle
This Week: 4/21 vs. McCallie (Tenn.), 4/22 at Centennial (Ga.), 4/25 at Lassiter (Ga.)

19. Salisbury (Conn.), 4-2 | Previously: NR
Last Week: beat Trinity-Pawling (N.Y.) 11-6, Haverford (Pa.) 9-7
This Week: 4/19 at Westminster (Conn.), 4/22 at Loomis Chaffee (Conn.)

20. Haverford (Pa.), 6-4 | Previously: No. 10
Last Week: beat Episcopal Academy (Pa.) 14-11, lost to Salisbury (Conn.) 9-7, lost to Penn Charter (Pa.) 9-7
This Week: 4/20 at Germantown Academy (Pa.), 4/25 vs. Springside Chestnut Hill (Pa.)

21. Malvern Prep (Pa.), 9-2 | Previously: No. 20
Last Week: beat Germantown Academy (Pa.) 17-8, Springside Chestnut Hill (Pa.) 11-6
This Week: 4/21 vs. Penn Charter (Pa.), 4/22 at Delbarton (N.J.), 4/25 at Episcopal Academy (Pa.)

22. St. Ignatius (Calif.), 11-2 | Previously:
Last Week: beat St. Joe’s Prep (Pa.) 10-6, Serra-San Mateo (Calif.) 18-1, lost to Landon (Md.) 15-11
This Week: 4/19 vs. Garden City (N.Y.), 4/20 at Chaminade (N.Y.)

23. Calvert Hall (Md.), 7-2 | Previously: NR
Last Week: beat Gilman (Md.) 12-7
This Week: 4/21 vs. McDonogh (Md.), 4/25 at Spalding (Md.)

24. New Canaan (Conn.), 3-3 | Previously: No. 21
Last Week: lost to Brien McMahon (Conn.) 14-3, lost to Brunswick (Conn.) 7-5, beat Norwalk (Conn.)
This Week: 4/20 vs. St. Joseph-Trumbull (Conn.), 4/22 at Fairfield Prep (Conn.), 4/25 at Staples (Conn.)

25. Manhasset (N.Y.), 4-2 | Previously: No. 24
Last Week: lost to Darien (Conn.) 12-8, beat Long Beach (N.Y.) 15-4
This Week: 4/22 vs. Wantagh (N.Y.)

Actually the stupid one is you. Spalding historically doesnt have near the talent as the Northern Balt teams do,nor does it have near the older players that they do. Spalding is 9-12 without any private schools nearby who do the prefist and reclass thing. BL, McD, Loyo,CH,Gilman all are close to each other. BL.McD.Gilman.Friends.Calvert School all do prefirst grade along with the some MIAA schools doing the reclass thing at 8th grade...You have you head in sand if you dont think this helps out MIAA HS teams in the that area.

Maybe Spalding is getting better talent now. But it will still need to field older teams to be consistently competitive. Not always as occasionally younger guys do win. So maybe the Stupid ignorant jealous one is you..who wants to act like being older makes NO difference.

Only someone stupid would pick a team of talented HS juniors and HS Seniors over a team of talented College Freshman and HS seniors.
You want to make it a holdback issue when it is a simple case of talented older kids having a better chance of winning.

Are you seriously talking about holdbacks in HS? First off, BL only starts 3 or 4 seniors. And other than the FOGO, they aren't their top players. HS is a four year grouping of grades. Now that's not fair either? Good grief

Still laden with holdbacks, but a equal playing field within the MIAA and IAC.

The fact that Spalding and St. Mary's can even compete in the MIAA with all the prefirst/reclassed kids is a miracle. Hopefully the NCAA recruiting rule change will put an end to the 8th grade repeat/transfer nonsense that is so prevelant right now. Gilman has a 17 year old freshman on their varsity squad. 17 in the 9th grade!

stop it. total lie and i hate gilman

Fake News. Spalding does not compete in the MIAA.

Arguing about hold backs in a league with prefirst in most of the curriculums is really pointless. Majority did prefirst, minority held back later, even less did neither. Stupid, weak argument.

Correct. And this was the MIAA schools secret among most people until the youth grade based lacrosse leagues started. No one knew or cared outside of MIAA schools about prefirst/reclass . It only effected school teams playing each other in Middle and High school . Even the Crabs who were loaded with private school kids had an age based U13 and U15 team back then.

But once HOCO decided to have a youth grade base league. Everyone in the lacrosse community understands it now and most besides the apologists think it is wrong in youth sports.

Spalding lost st Mary's.

New Washington Post Poll up:

Boys' Lacrosse rankings April 19, 2017
PostRank School Record
1 Landon 10-0
2 Bullis 13-2
3 Georgetown Prep 8-1
4 Severna Park 9-0
5 Gonzaga 9-5
6 Severn School 9-3
7 Churchill 5-0
8 Paul VI 10-3
9 St. Stephen's/St. Agnes 7-5
10 Robinson 7-1

HoCo exposed prefirst, oh no, what are we going to do? The horror, how will we ever survive together on Earth?

McD frosh FOGO drives....I have to think he will be 17 soon.

As always the apologists come out with their usual strawmen or excuses.The only horror is in your mind that these select kids will have to play at their age grouping during their youth. No one knew or even cared about the prefist mentality of Private schools. And no one cares even now as it pertains to private schools. It is a good thing for private schools as curriculum is very strong. And Privates dont want to spend extra time or extra resources constantly getting kids ( majority boys) up to speed.
But how did that become an excuse to let these select kids get an advantage in YOUTH lacrosse. Not private school lacrosse..but Youth lacrosse for everyone?? Apologize away...

This is a HS forum, not youth. Your argument for youth, though, still should be with the league and not the players/families. Sounds better to blame apologists, strawmen, whatever you want to label folks, but this is a rules issue. A parent of a youth in a particular grade is going to check that grade on the registration form, and they are not compelled to add plus one because their kid is in a different curriculum than a public school kid. No, they aren't select, they are just human. The parent of a 4th grader is not going to check 5th grade to make you happy. Some that know the game will play their kid up, because sure, you really want to play as high as possible to get the best competition, but most ding dong parents are just there to drop off and pick up have no idea what we are even talking about in this argument, so they just simply fill out the form to the best of their knowledge. It is a rules issue. But remember, if you were to win a rules argument, youth age brackets are typically in 2 year increments, which on average is greater than the private vs. public (what you call holdback) differential of about 1yr-18mo average. Have fun with this stupid argument, though.

The only question is will Severna Park win the state championship game by more than 10 goals or only 5 to 10 more.

Not a lie. Well documented. And everybody hates Gilman.

Wrong. 16. Will still be eligible for MIAA as Senior, which will be the ultimate documentation that your math was off by 1.

If true, he would not be eligible to play as a senior or even as a junior so doubtful.

Before you go trashing or making false statements, why don't you get your facts straight. This young man is from Florida and is still a Florida resident with his parents. At McD he is a boarding student and obviously lives in Md. during the school year. He just got his drivers license as he just turned 16. Florida law, learners permit at 15 and must be kept for one year than at 16 a provisional drivers license.
People like you are just so full of sh*t and hate. So now its your turn, where did you get your infothat states he will be 17 soon? Come on dbag, lets hear it.

how's it documented? on the pages of this anonymous website?

Why do you care how old a kid on varsity is as long as he did not hit his 19th Birthday before starting his senior year? That's the only rule for miaa.

I believe that is the rule for most HS's. People get so wound up about this. Maybe there are some advantages for middle school grade teams but HS is HS and your are going to have at least a 4 year variance across players ages and even more in college if they're lucky enough to play at that level...

See, you should have held back to take an extra year of math.

uhhhh.... he's driving as a freshman, so he's 16.... my son was 14 as a freshman.... turned 15 during summer before soph year.... I am not the original poster but ... its pretty clear (even according to you) that these guys are creating an advantage... it's ok though ... it will all work itself out... I've watched a few of these guys continue to accelerate their growth as players... and I've seen just as many of them ride the pine a little more every season as their peers catch them. It all works out. The coaches will field the best players no matter where they are on Ty Xander's list.

Amazing that people are still using a kids age as an excuse as to why their own kid isn't able to perform at a higher level.

If you just turned 16 as a freshman in high school and you are starting on varsity in the MIAA which is the most competitive lax conference in the country and playing against 17,18 and 19 year olds, where is the advantage? I personally give the young man credit for competing regardless of the result at seasons end.

If my memory serves me correctly this same kid started on varsity as an 8th grader in Florida and was the top FOGO in the state going nearly 80% on the season. Where was the advantage last year when he was 14-15 competing against 17,18 and 19 year olds?

I give credit where it's due and I most certainly don't make excuses as to why my son hasn't been recruited, sits the bench or didn't make the varsity squad, maybe the people on this site that are so critical should stop making excuses for their kids and accept the fact that they just may not be good enough to play varsity or college lacrosse.

My son plays lacrosse for Gilman. There is not a 17 year old freshman on the lacrosse team. I believe the young man in question turned 16 recently. To my knowledge, there are two reclassed boys in the entire Gilman lacrosse program. Most of the boys at Gilman are born after 9/1 and age appropriate for their grades.

Gilman beat Spalding today 14-8. Heard talk at the game of John Carrol moving up to A conference and Spalding moving back to the B.

He was an 8th grader in Florida... as per your post... different place than Baltimore. That said, I agree with you. He is starting in the best hs lacrosse league in the USA. Props to the young man and like I said, he may well accelerate his growth as a player. He is certainly set up for success.

My point is that age works itself out for the most part and matters less and less as the kids progress through high school to the next level.

Not a rule in the wcac. Check out Gonzagas roster the last few years. Plenty of 19 year olds playing.

There is nothing false about the claim that the Freshman attackman on Gilman is 17 years old.

There is also nothing false about the claim that Gilman is terrible and it doesn't matter how old their freshman attackman is.

9-51 in conference since 2011. Wow.

The next two classes coming into Spalding are excellent. They will not move down before Phipps has a chance to prove himself.

Spalding won't have a choice, if they win zero conference games AGAiN this year the conference will move them down. Just look at that record and add 9 losses to it which they will have this year.
The 2021 class they keep talking about is a joke, nobody other than spalding coaches and the kids parents think they are good. They can't even win a hoco game