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The post below was posted on another thread but much of it is appropriate here.

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Education, Education, Education, Education, Education, Education! !!!

The "Slot" is extremely valuable.

Many of the best universities in the country also happen to field some of the best lacrosse programs in the the nation.

The 11 schools listed below are the only schools that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past five years. The number listed is the universities 2017 academic rank. Eight of the Top 20 Universities in the country also have Top 20 Lacrosse Programs.

1 - Princeton
8 - Penn
8 - Duke
12 - Northwestern
15 - Notre Dame
24 - University of Virginia
30 - University of North Carolina
50 - Penn State University
50 - University of Florida
60 - University of Maryland
60 - Syracuse University

In addition to the 11 schools above:

10 - Johns Hopkins University
31 - Boston College
- Have both finished the season ranked in the Top 20 four of the past five years.

5 - Stanford
20 - Georgetown
- Each were ranked in the Top 20 in three of the past five years.

23 - Southern California
- Will more than likely be a perennial Top 20 program.

It is about the education and the admissions slot, not simply the amount of the athletic scholarship.

That being said, with the exception of the IVY's the top recruits at these schools can receive significant athletic money. If you are not one of the top recruits you can still receive a decent athletic scholarship. Some of the Universities listed especially the IVY's have very strong need based aid packages.

Due to generous need based aid packages some girls may opt not to accept an athletic scholarship because they will receive more money in the form of need based aid.

Very good students can receive academic scholarships as well, especially if they choose to attend a slightly less competitive university.

The State Schools can make it very affordable for their in-state recruits.

The top recruits in the country do in fact receive significant athletic money. How do you know if you are a top recruit? Easy, take a look at the schools that are making offers, when they are making the offer and what the offer is. If a number of the schools listed are recruiting and offering when the student is in the 9th grade you are a top recruit.

Athletes who are not considered to be the top recruits in the country can still receive significant athletic money if they are the top recruit at the school they choose to commit to. For example, A player may be offered 70 - 75% by a particular school but that same player may not have had a single offer from UNC, MD, PSU, Syracuse, Penn, Princeton, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, Virginia or Florida.

There is a lot more money out there than many people realize. However, for many players and their families it is about the education.

Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Vanderbilt, Cal - Berkley, University of Michigan, Army, Navy, William and Mary, Boston University, Lehigh, Villanova, Etc... All have programs and all have the ability to help with admissions.

Good luck to all, there is a fit for everyone. Enjoy the ride.

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Use lacrosse to get into the best university possible and hopefully get some financial help.

did anyone see VA tech dismantle Duke? that guy can flat out coach. first season there and he has 2 ACC wins!! the offensive scheme they were running was great to watch. great spacing, movement and just completely baffled Duke.

the cartel of ACC schools may be breaking up.. The Elons, Va tech's and others are joining the party.

If the first poster is a NARP or not, that was a fairly accurate description of what happened, only an appologest could challange those facts, and just so you know before you call me a NARP I was a goalie and so is my daughter. As far as playing in the cold, yes it sucks, and you lose something when you're that cold, but blame the coaches and the NCAA for playing games so early, something needs to be done about that. though the cold does affect both teams equally. With that being said, and as I type this , I am watching NU losing to SB, 6-1 at the half and have to ask what are the NU excuses this year

Duke has looked very suspect all season, looks like a down year for them. As stated in the previous post the playing field continues to level, aside from the top 5-6 programs there seems to be plenty of room for movement. Loyola was a perennial top 5 program 10-15 years ago, but now struggles to stay in the 20-25 range

Yeah I think these coaches like the one just mentioned skate along, able to recruit absolutely prime talent and then can't get the players organized in the field. Legacy programs, not producing the wins..

Bad day to be Mr. NU Lax Dad. At least she's getting a great education.

GREAT GAME ON LONG ISLAND TODAY!!!!

Crickets .................

It just kills the lax fans that a SUNY from LI can actually be good!
AND they are a good team

And the beating they dished out was without the single season NCAA all time top goal scorer. She was out for the entire 2nd half.

Any word? Is she ok?

Yah, NU has the best TA's around

great come back for Cuse. Can only imagine what was said at halftime.

I don't think it kills anyone just waiting for them to beat a good team, sorry but the team they just beat has been bad all year.

No, the majority of lax fans simply do not care if a SUNY from LI is actually good. I don't think it kills anybody.

Duke is a mess read the press release publically criticizing your players while Not questioning your own approach is irresponsible unless she is under pressure. Get after your players behind closed doors Bad approach

So great seeing karma come around and bite that program. We all suffered so badly seeing them stall the last 5 plus minutes of a one goal game. It was torture to watch those teams win championships. Here's hoping they fade away and never make it to championship weekend!!

agreed if true

what did the Duke coach do or say?

What a small minded jealous little [lacrosse] you must be. Why didn't the defense go challenge and apply pressure? How can a coach sit and watch the clock tic when they are behind? If they were afraid to pressure the ball they should have made sure to have the lead late in the game.

Loyola has traditionally not recruited too many players from strong Island ... could be hurting them. Conversely, SBU recruits almost exclusively from LI and, since current coach took over has done consistently well. No championship yet, but they are definitely a top contender.

It looks like the Duke, Penn and UVA, BU, GTown and Uconn all could be on hot seat. These coaches all want to worry about "making the game better" with rules for recruiting and sticks. I would think they should start worrying about winning.

All the above schools are very strong academic schools. Knowing Women's lax is four years and done they should be able to recruit very strong players. Personally I think they get good players and just don't development them-maybe academic work load is so heavy. But that is not stopping Princeton, PSU, USC or Harvard from success.

VT lost last year to Duke by 9 at home, now they win big away. It was a 20 goal turnaround. That was coaching, not roster changes.

love him or hate him, he won a ton in D2 and turned SB around almost overnight. I dislike the stat padding and rough play but he can coach a 1000 times better then some of the other top 10 programs that win because of their rosters talent and not because of coaching

Believe it or not, and you probably won't, he discourages rough play. He actively tells them to dial it back. When you've got a team of all Long Island kids you're going to get it whether you ask for it or not.

high contact, low character. yes we know.

like anyone is going to take the bait on crap like that..


if you could change the Women's game in any way what would it be? for me it's change the draw so the attack and D must stay below the 30 until possession is gained. also why not let them have deeper pockets in the stick? so many drops in Women's that you don't see in the boys game-- slows the game down and leads to more contact on offense and in transition because the balls on the ground so much.

No ties to either but having been around this for awhile crazy to see SB beat Northwestern by so many and were actually up even more than the final as well as VT beating Duke handily. Think the top 2 are the same and probably will not change but the next 15 are evolving

Sorry, I cant buy that one. Adelphi and SB are very chippy and physical and its been that way for 15 or so years. That's his style and pattern regardless of what he says. Just own it

First lets not compare PSU to Princeton ,USC, Harvard in an academic sense. While those coaches may be on the hot seat I doubt it as 1 down year should have little impact on most of those coaches who have a history of success both recently and over many years.

Penn and Duke coaches on the hot seat? What are you smoking. You know nothing.

Sad that SBU does not get bench in when up by 10, very good talent there. How are the D2 women's programs this year?

Michigan coach is on the hot seat.....

For that matter, lets not compare Harvard and Princeton to USC, not anywhere near the same league, sorry Ivy wannabe.

I agree, but with that said, Harvard is not anywhere near USC on the lax field...I know its all about the education, but lets show both sides and not just show your side of it...

How is that Michigan coach able to survive? I understand she started the program but it has now been several years and team started 0-5 this year.

Horrible to watch (the injury wasn't graphic, but she was in extreme pain) and the knowledge that this great athlete and special young person probably played in her last game. Heartbreaking. Best wishes on s speedy recovery.

Penn coach very good at drawing from known high school powerhouses ... 16 out of 26 on the roster are from NY and NJ hot beds... her team will always be in the mix. May not win the NCAA, but they do compete for the Ivy title which is all that really matters to the IVy league admins, alums and parents. Which IVy is the best this year? Brown really coming on strong. Cornell with an upset victory over Penn... things are getting interesting in the IVy league.

how about Villanova??? hot school, close to all lacrosse hot beds, No.1 undergrad business school, Nat Champs in hoops and No.2 this year?? how can they allow this much losing??

Would think UVA on hot seat as well as Michigan and Rutgers

No talent at Villanova and she is cheap with money

UVA made the switch with men's team and early reviews are good. So AD not afraid to remove long time coaches.

Villanova may still not be fully funded for women's program.As recent as 3 years ago they only had 3 scholarships for the ENTIRE TEAM. Coach has no chance anywhere if they are not fully funded. Facilities at Villanova are also very dated.