BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2020- 9th Grade Fall 2016/Summer 2017

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]They should grandfather in the 2020 class and start the new rule for the 2021 class since they are not in High School yet. Travel teams will suffer because it will not be as necessary to start playing travel at such a early age. The kids will be kids again and travel teams will lose money.

Scared your holdback will not keep his commitment as kids play high school. Seems the idea of immediate implementation worked to get the weakest parents to comment. So easy to bait.

Nope, there is a reason kids get committed. It's because they stand out. Sorry yours didn't. Making silly recommendations will not help your son. Get back to practice!

Nope, there is a reason kids get committed. It's because they stand out. Sorry yours didn't. Making silly recommendations will not help your son. Get back to practice!

In my experience, by 4th-5th grade you can tell which kids are most athletic regardless of the sport they are playing. We all know who those kids are. They are faster and more coordinated, they can catch and throw and kick better and the biggest differentiator is their competitive fire! They are alsways around the ball.. My point is that those same kids who stand out in 7th/8th grade (holdback or not) usually do not fall back in the middle of the pack by their junior yr. So many of you say "just wait until the other boys hit their growth spirt"... On a very rare occasion have I seen a late bloomer come out of nowhere and become the "star athlete".

In my experience, by 4th-5th grade you can tell which kids are most athletic regardless of the sport they are playing. We all know who those kids are. They are faster and more coordinated, they can catch and throw and kick better and the biggest differentiator is their competitive fire! They are alsways around the ball.. My point is that those same kids who stand out in 7th/8th grade (holdback or not) usually do not fall back in the middle of the pack by their junior yr. So many of you say "just wait until the other boys hit their growth spirt"... On a very rare occasion have I seen a late bloomer come out of nowhere and become the "star athlete".

Wow, you are a colossal idiot. You sound like my son's PAL coaches. One nut job told me my son didn't have the right muscle fibers at 11 years old. (his son never played in HS or college) Like you, they couldn't have been more wrong. I have one in college playing and another committed to a top 20 D1 program. Neither were the best, fastest, most athletic in 4th or 5th grade. In fact, one was heavy, and one ran on his heels. Fast forward a few years. One committed as a jr, the other a soph. Lacrosse is unique sport, where dynamic hard working Lacrosse players, surpass superior athletes all the time. It's a rare sport where you can be big, fast, small, tall, short, thick, skinny and still compete at the highest levels. Is being a freak athlete a benefit? Sure. A prerequisite? No. BTW the kid who ran on his heels, became the fastest kid on his HS team. The heavy one, breaks poles ankles anywhere on the field. Don't think my two where outliers, just hard workers at a sport they loved.
Do everyone a favor and take your insane border line creepy assessment of 4th and 5th grade babies somewhere else. Who watches kids that closely? Creeper!!!!

If your kids a sophomore, why are you trolling the 2020 page? I call BS on all of your claims. Just does not work that way! Guy is correct. It is the rare kid who "comes out of nowhere". Why is it creepy watching 5th graders? I did when my sons they were in 5th, then 6th, then 7th......pretty much everything stayed the same. Maybe you were in your car drinking beers while we were all watching the boys play and develop? You sound very angry tool bag, and need to chill a bit.

Oh I can't read other threads now? Call BS all you want,100% TRUE! Doesn't that just burn you? Sorry my kids stories don't fit your dopey narrative, that a kids athletic destiny is set in 4th grade. Take your kid to a clinic or the gym, maybe he'll have half the success mine have had. You're completely and patently clueless on how this and other sports work. Did you watch the Giant game dummy? Rodgers and Matthews had a combined zero D1 offers out of HS!!! Rodgers played at Jr College and then transferred to Cal, and Matthews walked on at USC. I guess nothing changed in their Athletic development either? They just happen to be on the same team and superstars on opposite sides of the ball. I guess it does work that way!!! And yes, you're still creepy.
P.S. No anger here, just can't believe how stupid people like you are. Nothing changes after 4th or 5th grade? How do you even write something like that? Good luck to your poor kid...

I couldn't agree more. The guy who said you can tell in 4/5 the grade is some loser who's son was an early developer and knows nothing about sports. Can't wait till the late developers catch up and pass his son by. What a donkey!

Won't go through. Besides, several 2021s are already very close to commitment.

Clay Matthews came from a family with ties to the NFL. His dad/uncle/grandfather all played in the NFL. He didn't just walk on at USC, all major colleges have a walk on process, if you are not a "select" walk on, you're not getting a shot. Clay Matthews was asked by the coaching staff to walk on.

USC and most d1 college football schools hold open tryouts. Clay was good enough to make their team, and the rest is history. Playing football or basketball is a better option then playing lacrosse. Would you rather have to split your scholarship or have full funding. That's why only rich preppy white boys go on to play lacrosse, cause most families can't afford to have their sons play due to the sheer cost in money and amount of time that would lead up to what? A 1/4 scholarship? That's my 2 cents.

How many D1 offers did he have? ZERO. Well aware of his lineage. By that measure alone the schools should have been lined up to offer him... Sorry try again.

It's almost comical that people think the proposed legislation is going to solve all the lax recruiting problems.
The NCAA has been down this road before and their hesitation to further regulate is based on lessons learned with the likes of AAU basketball. The unintended conciquenses are the club coaches and individuals with lines of communication Into the college coaches get more powerful and corrupt. Early RecruitIng won't end, it will just take a different look and feel. Since the kids and parents won't be able to contact the coaches they will rely on conduits to plead their casses to be recruited. The club directors everyone hate will only become more important as the process is conducted through intermediaries. Watch out what you wish for.

Matthews was a preferred walk on, not some kid who came in from nowhere. He wanted USC, they didn't offer, the coaches told him to walk on, full well knowing he neither needed nor merited a full ride at that time. But would probably earn one later. He wasn't exactly a risk.

6' 1 180lb from Laxchussets was 2020 last year

So this player at this size could not commit as a 2020? So is now going to commit as a 2021? Is he as good as the lefty attack from ninedy one?

So this player at this size could not commit as a 2020? So is now going to commit as a 2021? Is he as good as the lefty attack from ninedy one?

Fat kid that ran on is heels. Sounds like the next Paul Rabil to me..

This was on the 2021 thread but also can be posted here about hold backs:


There are countless studies that support this. Not only as adults but also as kids there are self-esteem issues and many other long term issues that result. An older kid looks and acts different compared to younger kids in his grade. Also you are telling your kid he can't compete with kids his own age. The mind is very complicated. The seeds you plant indirectly by holding back are harmful. Find this study below and go on the internet and search some of these terms and you will see holding back results in many problems.

2003 "Position Statement on Student Grade Retention," the National Association of School Psychologists (NASP)concluded:

* Academic achievement of kids who are retained is poorer than that of peers who are promoted.
* Achievement gains associated with retention fade within two to three years after the grade repeated.
* Retention often is associated with increased behavior problems.
* Grade retention has a negative impact on all areas of a child's achievement (reading, math, and language) and socio-emotional adjustment (peer relationships, self-esteem, problem behaviors, and attendance).

2003? Was this targeted at prep school lacrosse kids, being that it pre-dated modern day club lacrosse? Was this study for inner city basketball and football? Private school kids that did prefirst or repeated a middle school grade don't qualify for this study, dude!