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Kids at Ivies, those who need it at least, are getting tons of financial help -- it just isn't tied to lacrosse. And the Ivy League schools have pretty strict rules regarding things like commitment during the off-season and weekly limits on practice time. It's a shame that all schools don't do the same. There's no reason why a dead-end, non-revenue sport should ever be a full-time job (which it is for many).

The NESCAC schools are pretty good about this too.

Yes, I know you get financial help at the Ivies, but you need to have limited assets and a combined salary well under 200k. This is rare for lax players. Every student who attends these schools is treated the same when it comes to aid. It's strictly need based. The lacrosse is what gets you in. Once you're there if you hate it, or its interfering with academic, quit. You won't be losing anything.

How about you 10 fortunate ivy league parents meet for coffee someplace because ivies don't apply to 99.5 of us with or without lacrosse and I'm pretty sure the people typing about ivies have their kids headed to some weak college none of us ever heard of

It's roughly ten percent of D1 players, so we're not talking about an insignificant number here. There's nothing wrong with discussing the Ivies on a D1 lacrosse message board, especially since the recruiting process for them is a bit different than it is for other schools.

You can tell that just by reading some if these responses. These people are delusional and drinking the cool-aide that the clubs are serving them. I have been through it with two already, one of which won an NCAA ring playing lax. Tell your kids to play hard and have fun and push the academics. Lacrosse may help get into a good school if the academics are there but that's about it. I cant tell you how many boys I know that may early commitments to schools that were not a good fit and ended up transferring after one or two semesters.
If your son loves lacrosse use it as a tool to get where they want to go but don't count on getting more than money to pay for books.

This is a realistic scenario for a very good lacrosse player. Thank you for bringing some sanity to this thread and good luck to you son.

Great post. My oldest played at a D2 school, Received some athletic money but three times as much academic money. Won the D2 championship his sophomore season, got his ring and stopped playing. He was on the verge of losing his academic money because his grades were suffering. Playing a varsity sport in college s a full time job and many of these kids don't realize the time they will have to commit once they are there. After stopping playing my son concentrated on his studies and graduated with a 3.8GPA and a degree in his major in 4 years. he probably would have needed more years and not had as high a GPA if he had continued to play.

I'm calling BS on your post... I guess math is not your strong suit. If your son was almost losing his academic money his GPA was sub 3.0 (more likely in the 2.4 range to lose academic money) after freshman or sophomore year, and graduated in 4 years (lets assume 30 credit hours per year) there is no way he could achieve a 3.8 GPA, even if he got a 4.0 for 3 years in a row (and you said he quite after his sophomore year in danger of losing his academic money.) I guess he told you he had a 3.8 GPA and you believed it.

Not sure that is true - my older son (not participating in any NCAA athletics, but don;t this that is relevant to this discussion) has aid contingent based upon his maintaining a 3.2 GPA - so, I am sure there are varying requirements for different types of aid as well as differences between instituion.

The math still does not work..... Even if the student got a 3.5 thru his sophomore year (he would not be in danger of losing his $$ at that GPA level, so not sure what his actual GPA would be if he was on the bubble at his university) and then got a 4.0 his last 4 semesters the best he could reasonably achieve is a 3.75 GPA. This does not even factor in that upper level classes generally get much tougher than gen ed requirement intro / survey classes (that most Freshman / Sophomores take) at most legitimate academic institutions.

I still smell BS...

So what? Most of what is written on here is BS. Don't over-analyze, just read it for the entertainment value like the rest of us.

Different schools have different requirements. Some have none, once they give the money, they won't take it away. It all depends on the program. Some you must maintain a 3.0, others a 2.8.

I agree....math doesn't work. BS. Not even entertaining BS.

it's 2016 and BS is now the acceptable form of communication - if "lacrosse quieter daddy" wants to tell tales of the rising GPA you don't get all Encyclopedia Brown on him, [lacrosse] you should probably be voting for him.

Ultimately, you want max money, make your kid be a dominant FOGO or goalie. My kids team that's where the biggest schollie's went, followed by the big time goal scorers. Definitely don't let your kid be a pole.

Max money for lacrosse??? The best you can bet on is a 1/4 schalrship. Please - no one is getting a significant athletic scholarship anywhere for mens lacrosse!

LSM gets some $. Close D nope.

You have no idea what your talking about. The top kids on my sons college team are receiving 50-75% of cost. My son receives 30,000 in Athletic money.

How much money for warming the bench for the 10 starters?

40 man rosters or more makes sense that most of the top kids get 75%..... NOT!

NCAA restricts lacrosse scholarships to 12.6 per year per team - do the math. No school is committing much more than 1/4 (maybe a 1/2!) on any one player for the most part, and IF there is rare player who gets more, they are likely one of the best FEW in the country. People who talk about knowing players getting more are mixing athletic with academic and both are handled separately and carry with them differing requirements. In most cases, the academic/need based money is not contingent on lacrosse, and in some cases cannot be.

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/whats-a-college-lacrosse-scholarship-really-worth

FTA: "“Our next two incoming classes are broken up with most of the kids receiving between 20 and 40 percent, and some kids are just getting books.”

It’s not like there are no free rides, they’re just extremely rare."

here is my quick math rounded out for simplicity on a couple of situations I am familiar with
12 scholarships on team
3 scholarships per class
4 kids get half scholarships
4 kids getting quarter scholarships
4 kids getting nothing
a lot are also getting academic and in many cases more than the athletic

since you can not combine athletic and need based a bunch of kids can get more $ need based than the Athletic that is offered - you make the best package you can either need + academic or athletic + academic

From USA TODAY
"53% of D1 get athletic money"
"Only 2.9% of HS lax players play D1 college"
"Most of the kids who d get offers get 20-40%"
"Many get just 4% to cover their books"
"Here is the lesson to all parents, all that money on private lessons, fitness training and summer travel isn't coming back"

The lesson money doesn't come back, but I get to watch my son play on the field because he's gotten better than the rest of the kids at his position. That's all I want.

The math gets worse for many parents because top programs often give 80% or more to one top kid in every class.

Facts are very hard to swallow. Everyone believes that there will be a payout in college. Enjoy the ride it goes very quickly. If your kid wants to play in college there will always be a spot for them

2020 close guys getting money

I don't know about others but the camps, club lax, lessons, weight speed training, that I spend (and I spend a lot) is for my children to become the best they can at something they love. I really enjoy watching them play. The fact that they are pretty good makes it even better. They enjoy playing. They like working and getting better. For me it is not to "get" money in college. For anyone that thinks that way and while knowing there are only 12 something scholarships for D1 is an idiot or a dreamer.

I spend more money (and time) on gymnastics than lacrosse and there is no way they are getting a dime in that. If they are really lucky maybe they can play DIII.

I would rather spend my money on something they love doing. They are only young once. I only get to watch them once go through it. If I am willing to make the sacrifice in paying and they are willing to put the time in to get better, I will pay all day.

Well said and completely agree

Very true and well said. I truly believe scholarship money means that parents can brag to their friends. The money factor is usually insignificant.

Very good point. I love bragging to my happy hour buddies about the money we'll be getting for text books and all the cool free gear my daughter will be getting. Then I go on and brag about how we are getting all the mileage out of our current cars since we are getting ready to pay out our noses for her education. And I love saying it with a smile. The parents with the younger kids who don't know the facts look at me like I'm full of it.

My guy received over $100,000 for 4 years, that covers the books then some.

To an Ivy League school, right?

50 man roster and 12.5 scholarships - do the math. Anyone that tells you they are getting a full ride is lying.

Like was said earlier, the scholarship can be for 1000 bucks. It just now allows the kids dad to say to his friends , my son has a lax scholarship. It gives him something to boost about. That's all it is. That guy can be paying 53 grand a year,but the school is 54 grand. Hey everybody look how cool my son is, he got a division 1 lacrosse scholarship. He won't say it's for 1000 bucks. He won't say he spent 80,000 dollars for 12 years of lacrosse, club fees,clinics,lessons,hotels,equipment,etc,etc,etc. It's comical.

My sons scholarship is 30,000 Athletic money a year at a 50,000 a year school. Can I brag?

Please share what private university is only 50K a year. Either kid is living at home and commuting or you are lying