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So the impact of these loop holes are what exactly? Based on studies the child is socially more prepared, academically more prepared and obviously athletically more prepared. So the impact is a kid who is......more prepared to succeed. Maybe these hold back parents are on to something.

So the impact of these loop holes are what exactly? Based on studies the child is socially more prepared, academically more prepared and obviously athletically more prepared. So the impact is a kid who is......more prepared to succeed. Maybe these hold back parents are on to something.

So the impact of these loop holes are what exactly? Based on studies the child is socially more prepared, academically more prepared and obviously athletically more prepared. So the impact is a kid who is......more prepared to succeed. Maybe these hold back parents are on to something.

Oh, it is the me me me mentality. Okay Impact on those that were cheated!

We see how it seems to be working out for the cheaters, and many times it does. oh and once you bend the rules in such an egregious manner once, whats next.

I think all the hold back should have a special colored arm band for everyone one to see. So when he smokes a kid all the parents and coach will know why.

bam 2 lindy over floyd

It all goes back to the premise that the advantage is only there if a few use the loop hole. If this is the road to success, then you will start to see the masses following and the advantage is now lost. From what I can see, within another two years, you will see many more holdbacks and the advantage will not be as great. I was VERY surprised to hear about the families that reclassed their kids in LI this year. I suspect the number will grow larger with each passing year.

Each year for the last few maybe 5 years there has been less than a hand full of True holdbacks on LI (pre October dob). There was always those families that held back their 4th qtr kids. Football exposed many of these early on because FB had a Nov cut off.

I complained years ago about that because if you look to manyu of the top 10 students in a HS graduating class they were the "late bloomers many a 4th Qtr hold backs". Who does that hurt an on age kid who was ranked 8th and 5 above him were almost a year older. You know the whole AI does count class rank.

I doubt we will see any more of the true hold backs (pre October), or more than we always had, there will always be that handful. What i fear is now seeing a handful of double holdbacks.

but to say it doesnt hurt or who dooes it hurts, there are others impacted. Stop reading outliers. try reading "the five people you meet in heaven". if not, read about Newton's 3rd law, every action has an equal and sometimes negative reaction, one more... just because you dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. A tree falls in the forest, still makes a sound even if your not there to hear it.

Why do you keep posting public school football scores on Catholic school lacrosse thread???

When a butterfly flaps it's wings can it cause a hurricane?

ahh the Chaos affect.

The broader meaning of the "Butterfly Effect" is not that we can readily measure these occurrences, but how we can't. To claim a butterfly's wings can cause a storm (Hurricane or tornado), raises the point; how can we reliably say what really causes anything, especially if its something as immeasurable as a butterfly?

Browns roster was filled with heldback Prep school kids, do your research before you spew nonsense. 26 kids on their roster were prep school or catholic school kids many of them from the mid atlantic. Care to guess how many were heldback, reclassed, or did a PG? And I wouldnt exactly call Brown a "non-traditional", always been a good program. Oh and by the way, look what two teams were in the National championship, two of the biggest early recruiters out there who both carry huge rosters. Nothing will change, there will be parity in the sport because the sport is expanding but people are still going to hold back their kids, colleges are still going to early recruit, and the same teams that are always in the top 10 will remain there. Get over it and concentrate on what your kid is doing and making sure hes doing everything he can to put himself in the best position possible.

In every other sport there are "hold backs" . Especially in the two money sports, football and basketball. These kids repeat grades multiple times due to failure. There are thousands of them. No belly aching. Why is lacrosse different? You play a sport of the wealthy and you get prep kids and parents who can afford to hold their child back. Again, lacrosse is the sport of the rich white kid. Don't think so? Look at all the powerhouses nationwide. Get past it folks or you're going to go nuts.

So are you going to blame or punish the kid because his parents made the decision to hold him back? Not sure tha would be consistent with Marianist values either.

The fact remains that many parents are making this decision. Indeed, many parents believe holding their child back has benefits other than athletic benefits (including social and academic benefits). Read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. Many people are holding their kids back. You better get used to it and stop whining about it.

Look- simply put, Hillary Clinton would love this idea...
1) Delay entrance for kindergarten (steal advantage #1)

2) then repeat 8th grade (reclass - Steal advantage #2)

3) enter High school 2 years older than other freshman and get accolades for athletic prowess(steal advantage #3)

4) commit to college freshman year get scholarship $$$ (steal advantage #4)

5) do a year of postgrad at some New England prep school earn popularity because you can legally buy alcahol for your minor teammates (steal advantage #5)

6) enter college as a 21 year old Frosh - compete against 18 year olds (steal advantage #6)

7) do a red shirt year (Steal advantage #7)

8) senior year 26 year old competes against 18 year old in NCAA games( Steal advantage #8)

9) graduate live life as an entrepreneur offering shooting clinics/lessons for kids at the Hub and stringing sticks at Lacrosse Unlimited

Kudos to those who achieve success the Hillary way.

Jim Brown
Myles Jones,
Miles Thompson
Lyle Thompson
Trevor Baptiste

Might have some thoughts on the creators game for you.

You're kidding right? You post five names and act as though that is the norm? OKay, I'll bite, the Lax powerhouses in LI are Hempstead, Brentwood, Uniondale and Central Islip?
Sorry to burst your bubble with the truth, but here are your powerhouse teams, then tell me about the diversity of those schools:
Manhasset
Cold Spring Harbor
Garden City
Syosset
West Islip
Smithtown (both)

Sorry to burst your bubble spike, lacrosse is about as diverse as basketball.

Post grad/prep school is not cheating, - go to college with a year of additional maturity

reclass/hold back is cheating- compete against pre-pubescent 13 year olds as a more physically developed 15 year old in order to look better to coaches, knowing that what could amount to 2 years of physical development is a HUGE advantage over 13 year olds.

Many LI parents do heroin - should we all get used to that too?

Taking the air out of a football is cheating. There is a rule prohibiting that conduct.

Cutting up a baseball is cheating. There is a rule prohibiting that conduct.

Opting to hold your child back is not cheating. There is no rule prohibiting that conduct. It is a parental decision. Period.

Possession of heroin is illegal and harmful to the user and others. Holding your kid back is not illegal and not harmful to the child or others. Lousy analogy.

1. Hold backs steal spots from deserving on age kids.

Really? Take a look at the previous pages of guys bragging about how their sons dominate "hold backs"

2.Holding your kid puts pressure on them to be dominant. If they don't excel, they become the laughing stock, an embarrassment. Why would you put your kid in that position?

Kids will become "laughing stocks" if they don't play well in lacrosse. You are obviously pulling the lever for Trump.

3. Holding your kid back instilled the message in your child that he's not good enough to compete fairly in life, and must always look for a way to cheat to stay on top.

I know multiple hold back kids. None have self esteem issues.

4. You are viewed as a disgusting example of a parent by your peers who didn't hold their kid back for an advantage. And if you don't think we berate you when your back is turned, you need to be more observant. But you probably don't care because you yourself probably have a weak character.

(A) Don't make parental decisions based on what the guy with the red cup is saying behind your back. Bad way to parent; (B) weak character because you want to do what is best for your child? That is truly warped.

5. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

But you should if it is legal, doesn't harm anyone else and is in the best interest for your child.

6. Anything your child does accomplish, will not be admired the way you think. He will always be referred to as the cheating holdback who was not good enough to compete against kids his own age.

Just because a kid is held back does not mean he or she wasn't good enough to compete against same age kids. Not even close.


Actually my kid rolled over the holdbacks and has been dominating his position as a true age grad year player since Sophomore year. Doesn't change my opinion of the cheating weasels. Love seeing them throw tantrums when they get smoked. Loser!

You hold a red cup at youth lacrosse games, you talk behind parents' back and you mock children who don't perform well athletically. Good Lord, why would anyone talk to you at all much less talk to you about their parenting decisions?

I know five "hold back" kids. Three of them now attend Ivy league schools, one is going to Duke and the fifth kid is going to Maryland. I don't know any "hold back" kids who aren't excellent players. Just my experience..........

And the roster on the St. A's looks like.....?

Trust me.....there are also plenty of age appropriate kids going to those institutions, and plenty of holdbacks going nowhere.

Are you saying that the same percentage of age appropriate kids go to top Div 1 schools as the percentage of holdbacks going to top Div 1 schools? No difference?

wasnt a study already done albeit awhile ago and for Hockey but a majority of the players are 4th qtr "hold backs" (whether legit or not) and/or 1st qtr of teh year babies