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Will you really pester them? Will you stomp you feet and and hold your breath too?

How about speaking the truth, putting a name on it, getting a petition and holding back support?

Really, what are you gonna do about it?

Why would I not have a conversation with them about it? I'm friends with Jack and some of his kids, and see Bro. Tom once or twice a year. This sh*t never happened when I was there, which really is not that long ago.

I'm a relatively active alum who does care about the school -- the holdback / repeat stuff upsets me. I don't have any kids there yet, so I didn't know it was happening.

To the guys who consider this cheating, etc.: wake up! It happens all the time in the lax world and more and more on Long Island. Georgetown has a freshman who was born in 1996. He repeated the 9th grade ( transferred from public to private) and then did a PG year. Kid started his freshman year at age 20. Worked out for him -- he rec'd an athletic scholarship to one of the best academic schools in the US. Cheating or smart?

To the guys who consider this cheating, etc.: wake up! It happens all the time in the lax world and more and more on Long Island. Georgetown has a freshman who was born in 1996. He repeated the 9th grade ( transferred from public to private) and then did a PG year. Kid started his freshman year at age 20. Worked out for him -- he rec'd an athletic scholarship to one of the best academic schools in the US. Cheating or smart?

Cheating

Cheating

Relax. This holdback thing is starting to bare the fruit I've always thought it would.
Current 2016 College Freshman at ACC school, not from LI, from parts south. Kid is from one of the two holdback hotbed areas, won't say which, as I don't want to out the kid on here.
Was ranked in the top 40 of incoming Freshman by both dopey Ty and IL.
Well, fall ball started and the Coaches were less than impressed. Kid didn't even make the team, cut in fall ball.
I've never understood these Coaches who believe that a kid who has played down his whole HS life, will suddenly thrive in an environment where he now has to play up and standout???
I imagine that this is happening all across D1 this fall. As the first super early holdback recruits hit the turf. I suspect many will never see the field and others will be gone in fall ball of sophomore year. Sure, some will do well and thrive.
However, overall, I predict we will start to see the tide turn on these holdbacks and double holdbacks. As whole, they will not pan out.
I further believe you will start to see more upsets and non-traditional teams in the top 20. Let's face it, if Molloy didn't get hurt, Brown would have won it all last year.
Let's keep watching and see if I'm right...

I also think the issue will thin itself out a little, but not much; in reality why wouldn't the coaches continue this. As posted on other forums, what do they really need 4 of the (on avg) 10 commits to pan out. With maybe another 2/3 playing supporting roles. Leaving 4 not working out, happens.

(4x4) 16 great players and (4x2) 8 supporting players, 24 players on a college team and woo hoo that coach is a genius.
2 Goalie
4 Attack
6 middie
2 off mids/att
2 Dmids
2 LSM
2 fogo
4 poles

Sure as a figure failing 40% a year would seem high, but the flip side is if you avg .600 each year Id say you would be a top coach.

and these schools still recruit whether the top recruit at 8th grade or a surprise in 11th. They just need any 4 of the recruits to pan out. whether recruit 1 or 10 (in some cases 12)

Why would I not have a conversation with them about it? I'm friends with Jack and some of his kids, and see Bro. Tom once or twice a year. This sh*t never happened when I was there, which really is not that long ago.

I'm a relatively active alum who does care about the school -- the holdback / repeat stuff upsets me. I don't have any kids there yet, so I didn't know it was happening.

Well, you have several classes to make up for then.
Senior class and Sophomore class both have a holdback or 2.
We know the freshman.

It was said that is why they play the games. But good win and great season. My hat is tipped to them

quite a leap to corral the whole concept of hold backs as a pending failure based on one player. I do not see this singular event being a cause for universities to pull back from recruiting from the growing masses of single and double hold backs. They are in it to win it as it were. we just have to hope that kids who are age on and are at the top of their game with their peers continue to do so at the next level. I for one am proud of my age appropriate son who fortunately has been able to contend with the hold backs in his class and secure a coveted spot at a great institution in spite of the crowd of super hold backs he competed against.

No leap at all. Mine is an age appropriate commit as well. He had the opportunity at 16 yo to play up against many a 19 and 20 year old 2016 rising college freshman at the committed games this past summer. Did quite well against them. I understand my views are anecdotally based, however given the lack of a double blind study on early recruiting to refer to, I believe I'm on to something...

Relax. This holdback thing is starting to bare the fruit I've always thought it would.
Current 2016 College Freshman at ACC school, not from LI, from parts south. Kid is from one of the two holdback hotbed areas, won't say which, as I don't want to out the kid on here.
Was ranked in the top 40 of incoming Freshman by both dopey Ty and IL.
Well, fall ball started and the Coaches were less than impressed. Kid didn't even make the team, cut in fall ball.
I've never understood these Coaches who believe that a kid who has played down his whole HS life, will suddenly thrive in an environment where he now has to play up and standout???
I imagine that this is happening all across D1 this fall. As the first super early holdback recruits hit the turf. I suspect many will never see the field and others will be gone in fall ball of sophomore year. Sure, some will do well and thrive.
However, overall, I predict we will start to see the tide turn on these holdbacks and double holdbacks. As whole, they will not pan out.
I further believe you will start to see more upsets and non-traditional teams in the top 20. Let's face it, if Molloy didn't get hurt, Brown would have won it all last year.
Let's keep watching and see if I'm right...

bam lindy 37-0 over longwood

bam 2 lindy over floyd

So are you going to blame or punish the kid because his parents made the decision to hold him back? Not sure tha would be consistent with Marianist values either.

The fact remains that many parents are making this decision. Indeed, many parents believe holding their child back has benefits other than athletic benefits (including social and academic benefits). Read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. Many people are holding their kids back. You better get used to it and stop whining about it.

Bam ? Is Emril Lagasse posting here ?

Using loopholes to your advantage isn't cheating. It's legal. If a taxpayer can carry forward losses in order to not pay taxes, then the taxpayer is legally taking advantage of the rules to his or her benefit. It would be crazy to do otherwise.

If a parent decides to holdback a child to take advantage of the academic, social and athletic benefits that comes with a holdback (or a PG year), it is simply taking advantage of rules (or financial wherewithal) to the benefit of the child.