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Dukes Nationals is a total money grab. The depth chart model only worked for the Dukes Club when they were the main HS club in the Philly area. With Mesa, Freedom, and HHH starting up kids went to these teams to get seen at recruiting events. Why would a 6th, 7th, or 8th grade kid who already plays for an elite club in Baltimore, PHilly, or L.I. Go play for Dukes Nationals as well? You are already going to get seen at the top recruiting tournaments. And don't give me the elite coaching, that is a Dukes National ls line for the parents wanting to brag about their son playing on a national team to bite on. If you are an elite player playing on an elite club, I think you will turn out just fine without falling for the Dukes Nationals money grab. The elite clubs haven't had a problem coaching up their kids so far as I can tell.

Total agreement.....but parents feel they must do it to keep up with the others.

How's this "National" team do versus local teams?
Are they playing in "National" tourneys?
I'd expect them to only play on LI or Baltimore where there's their level of competition...

Dukes minicamps are good. Tournament teams not so much you never know what players show up to play. This past weekend they where struggling to get players all Ny players where playing in the same tournament. I like the concept don't know if it works at the youth level.

The key to the club is Sankey himself. Parents will pay and invest if he coaches there kid but he isn't and that will catch up to them. They are competing with the other for profit/full time clubs like NXT, Mesa, Dukes and then dad type of programs like Freedom, Roughriders, Brotherly Love, Bucks, Rising Sons, Elevated and the list goes on.

I give it a few years and it will fizzle. There just isn't enough elite talent in Philly to support this many youth clubs and cool helmets alone with an illustrious college career isn't a sustainable model.

He was there yesterday. But you are correct there are way too many programs in the Philly area.

Freedom 22 are bbest in Philly IMO

Think A Hawks, LI Express, Arden, 91 and Igloo all better though but that's really good company.

Are any of the Philly 2022 teams going to try and qualify for WSYL?

It is no effort to qualify. Just go to the tourney and pay. It is a B level tourney.

I keep reading it is a B tourney, yet every elite NY team seems to be entered as well as Diamonbacks, Breakers, BBL Elite..
is it only a B event to the teams that can't field age appropriate teams or is there another reason? Also only 4 teams out of 16 in each bracket make it to Denver seems like getting thru the qualifying would take some effort.

Breakers? Sorry, my mistake, it's a C Level tournament.

Yeah now your proving your an a** hat. Breakers beat Freedom 22 last summervFtH2d

Anyone stating that this is a B tournament must be working for Young Guns in Maryland which stands to suffer from all these good clubs going to Denver the weekend of their event.

Your missing the point this isn't WYSL for the best 2022 Team but the best U13 team. The fact that all the best clubs play 2022 and grade based we get that as that discussion has been endless. This is the WSYL saying that we need to go age based and do it right. Kudos to them for making the right decision. Anyone thinking that youth lacrosse should continue with a grade based model is simply either self serving or really dumb. My son plays for a top notch 2022 in MD and I can tell you there are 7 kids that don't make the cut off for this tournament and we aren't the only MD based team with the same issue. This is a 2023/2022 tournament and that is okay.
Last time I checked in basebal their LIttle League World Series is 100% age based .

They travel for the experience, the pageantry, playing at Mile High Stadium, getting dressed in the Broncos dressing room, play on ESPN in front of a national audience, to celebrate the game.

As far as your logic for being a B Level tournament because of the lack of parity your description sounds like most of the tournametns we go to and we have been to NLF, Young Guns, Hogans, NXT Cup, etc. In pool play the scores are almost always 8+ plus goals and at each grade there is ususaly 2-3 top teams. Sounds exactly what you described for WSYL.

Our last tournament this past summer we smoked every team we played in pool play, smoke the teams in quarters, and semis and got smoked in the finals ourselves. By that logic there were only 2 elite teams in the whole bracket of 2022 and they started with 4 pools.

WSYL is their third year, they will have growing pains, the last two finals have been almost unwatchable due to the blow outs, but if it can do what Little League World Series does for basebal, to lacrosse should we all be supportive. It can only help our game if they continue to move in the right direction and making this a U13 tournament aligned with the governing body of the game is a great start.

Why such a Debbie Downer. I would have no problem paying for airlines, hotels, and airtime to visit Denver over Fourth of July with my family.

Let's see, the four teams that have made the finals so far are NY 91, Crabs, Legacy, and Igloo. You trying to tell me those teams don't play good lacrosse.

Dude you need to get on some anti-depressants ASAP. You sound like Scrooge you must be a real joy to hang out with, comical.

You just proved the point. 4 teams within 200 miles 3 within 20 miles. Most games were not good games at that tournament. The final was pretty good.

Why don't they have it in Hawaii? That's a more fun place to vacation than Denver.

You actually just proved my point. You my friend can only see as far as your nose. Most of these ELITE tournaments are won by the same handful of clubs from the same geographical hotbeds...sounds like WSYL?? That is NOT good for the game long term. More kids playing, more high schools adding programs, more collegiate programs, more MLL/NLL franchises IS good for the game. How do you grow the game. By having it in a huge growth area. Denver lacrosse is exploding. The moron that suggest Hawaii...don't know what you do for a living but logistics is not one of your strengths.

Get over yourself EAST coast lacrosse superiority is numbered in the game of lacrosse. California, Texas, Colorado will soon rival them. I am from the East Coast in a hotbed area and I welcome that kind of parity....you however would rather revel in your superiority in a sport that you hope remains a niche sport for the affluent so that your Johnny can look like a stud athlete and receive a fraction of a fraction of 12.5 scholarships

Either that or you work for Young Guns. Let's flip flop it... how is Young Guns going to be an elite tournament when the majority of the best 2023/2022 players are in Denver. You are right 3 of the WSYL teams that won it are within 20 miles of each other and guess what...all three are going back...so sounds to me like Young Guns will be a B/C tournament based upon your logic.

Based upon your response I am going to guess you are fat and out of shape.

Anyone that thinks there is nothing to do in the summer in Colorado doesn't place a premium on outdoors: nature, walks camping, hiking trails, canoeing, white water rafting mounting climbing, etc. Ever hear of Rocky Mountain National Park?

Go get yourself another cheesesteak you fat f*&^

You have no clue what so ever. The three teams going to Denver are good teams but do you think that for one minute that without them Young Guns will be a B/C tournament? You are sadly mistaken. That tournament will continue to be an AA tournament without your 3 little precious teams from NY. Get over yourself, reach down and gram both ears and pull real hard.
Time you see the light of day.