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Does anyone with actual experience know if any professors actually push through student athletes?? I'm so tired of reading this without anyone personally experiencing it! I know athletes get first selection of classes but inflated grades? Let's hear from a student or parent WITH PERSONAL experience or better yet a professor! Let's hear from those who did not get any leeway too! Should be interesting;)

Google UNC students grade manipulation - 18 years worth of scandals regarding grades for student athletes and I'm sure it wasn't only happening at UNC

Top 20 according to who ? If you are going to use US News be prepared to be wrong . They have about 80 schools in the top 20 lol.

Ok smarty pants, which one do u think is not of the ones listed above?

And of course you just did it again. So all the kids that go to top 20 lax schools, including the ones at Princeton Stanford Duke Northwestern etc, are just there to play the sport. And they all get handed better grades and take easy courses. This constant theme put forth by those of you who actually don't know, gets old. Are you jealous or something? Do you know that the top two-way midfielder at NU is an engineering major? Do you know that the top two-way midfielder at ND is pre-med? and there are many many more examples that i won't go thru. you can go look for yourself. So don't say that is just a couple. There are tons. And the vast majority of girls going to these top academic and lax schools will not only get good jobs out of college, but will succeed in them.

That's kind of my point, there are some great schools that are not top 20. Depending on what list you look at. There are schools like Williams, Amherst, United States Military Academy etc. that are in my opinion better academically than Cornell, Hopkins ,Duke.( not a knock on those schools as they are great schools also) All this nonsense about lax is only four years then you need a job so you have to go to this or that school is being spewed by elitist morons.Depending on your kids interests etc there are many great schools out there and maybe ROI is the most important factor.

If you're going on roi, then Colorado school of mines is the best

What if the kid is a trust fund baby? Really doesn't matter where she goes, right?

Again a lot of things to consider. My kid probably could have gone wherever she wanted but Ivy was not really a choice as we fall in that area where we would get zero financial assistance yet do not make enough to have 70,000 a year sitting around especially considering she has siblings.
Wonder what someone would have to make and for how long to catch up if ;student A goes to Ivy for 4 years but gets zero assistance so takes out loans vs the kid who goes into the workforce directly out of high school earning 30000 a year.

I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??[/quote]

That's kind of my point, there are some great schools that are not top 20. Depending on what list you look at. There are schools like Williams, Amherst, United States Military Academy etc. that are in my opinion better academically than Cornell, Hopkins ,Duke.( not a knock on those schools as they are great schools also) All this nonsense about lax is only four years then you need a job so you have to go to this or that school is being spewed by elitist morons.Depending on your kids interests etc there are many great schools out there and maybe ROI is the most important factor.[/quote]

We are talking about lax programs w D1 lax and matching that up with great schools. If you want to include D3, of course Williams, Amherst etc would be there. And that's pretty darn elitist as well. And if it's ROI u want, assuming these are pretty good bets. But ROI might mean more than just financial return.

Here are the 2017 top 20 National Universities as ranked by US News.

Looks like 16 of the 20 have Division 1 programs. I am sure that the majority of girls playing lacrosse at these schools are getting a great education and that the future is bright as long as they continue to work hard.

1. Princeton University

2. Harvard University

3. University of Chicago

3. Yale University

5. Columbia University

5. Stanford University

7. Massachusetts Institute of Technology

8. Duke University

8. University of Pennsylvania

10. Johns Hopkins University

11. Dartmouth College

12. California Institute of Technology

12. Northwestern University

14. Brown University

15. Cornell University

15. Rice University

15. University of Notre Dame

15. Vanderbilt University

19. Washington University in St. Louis

20. Emory University

20. Georgetown University

20. University of California-Berkeley

THANK YOU! That is the point. These young women are amazing.

The best 25 schools based on return on investment as reported by Forbes
School average starting salary
1.Harvey Mudd 66,800
2.Califorinia Institute of tech 67,400
3.NYU Poly 56,800
4.MIT 68,400
5.SUNY Maritime (in state) 59,000
6.Colorado School of Mines (in state) 64,200
7.SUNY Maritime (out of state) 59,000
8.Colorado School of Mines (out of state) 64,200
9.Stevens Inst. of tech. 60,900
10.Stanford 58,200
11.Georgia Inst. of tech (in state) 59,000
12.Rose -Hulman Inst. of tech 62,300
13.Claremont Mckenna 49,600
14.Harvard 50,700
15.worcester Poly does not state
16.Mass. Maritime Academy (in state) 50,900
17.Georgia Inst. of tech (out of state) 59,000
18.Santa Clara 50,600
19.Dartmouth 54,100
20.Mass. Maritime Academy (out of state) 50,900
21.Rensselaer 59,500
22.Williams 53,600
23.Notre Dame 53,400
24.Princeton 58,300
25.Babson 56,300

Are these kids just as great? or do you need lacrosse to be considered great by you?
If you notice you have to get to #10 to get a top 20 Lacrosse school, and there are only 4 on the whole list, so maybe yourbanging on your chest more about your daughters lacrosse ability then her intelligence, otherwise she would be going to one of these schools.

You get out of school what you put into it. You can go to a great school and maximize the opportunity. On the contrary you can go to an average school and maximize all of it. Will you get a job ahead of the top ten school grad, maybe not. But I am a firm believer that hard work over time will always win. It is a marathon, not a sprint.

It comes down to one thing...GRIT(read the book)

That's kind of my point, there are some great schools that are not top 20. Depending on what list you look at. There are schools like Williams, Amherst, United States Military Academy etc. that are in my opinion better academically than Cornell, Hopkins ,Duke.( not a knock on those schools as they are great schools also) All this nonsense about lax is only four years then you need a job so you have to go to this or that school is being spewed by elitist morons.Depending on your kids interests etc there are many great schools out there and maybe ROI is the most important factor.[/quote]

We are talking about lax programs w D1 lax and matching that up with great schools. If you want to include D3, of course Williams, Amherst etc would be there. And that's pretty darn elitist as well. And if it's ROI u want, assuming these are pretty good bets. But ROI might mean more than just financial return. [/quote]

Is your daughter playing there? Or she happens to go to a school with a top 20 lacrosse program?

This is a lacrosse website you potato head . If your kid goes to one of those schools but doesn't play lacross then who cares.

I didn't think my simple post could be taken so many different ways.
My point was this...My oldest started college this season at a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school. Many of her friends that don't play lacrosse or any other sport are going to a lot of the same schools that are listed as verbal commits on elite lacrosse websites.
Those kids listed on those sites would probably go to those same schools whether they played lacrosse or not.
So when you hear about some kids playing at a top academic school it's probably not the lacrosse that got them there but more likely their SAT scores and money.

If my kid does play for one of these great top 20 lacrosse and academic schools you would care? If so why?

You go on and keep missing the point if you want. Love to see your kid get into Cal Tech, MIT or Harvey Mudd. Then come talk to me. Who is arguing with those being great schools? This is a lacrosse forum you moron. And people on here, mostly out of jealously, try to put kids down who get into top lax AND academic schools. I don't know why. So I guess keep making yourself fell better if you have to. Must be disappointed in your kid or something but if it makes you feel better. Feel sorry for her. Really.

This was your original post
"I said it before and I will say it again. My kid is going to a top 20 nationally ranked lacrosse school and never even played the game.
So who cares what team your kid plays for or what school looked at her.
How will they do after lacrosse is over??"
Very different tone and point than your last one above. But glad you've come around.

most of these schools do have lacrosse, where lots of kids play, so are those kids as special as your little super star even though they play DII or DIII but are getting a better chance at making a good living as soon as they graduate? do they work just as hard, on and off the field even though they are not at a "lacrosse school" or in your elitist opinion do only the kids that go to your anointed top schools only deserve praise? Your right potato head, this is a lacrosse web site so lets talk about the game of lacrosse and not about how YOU think some schools, and some kids are better than others. this is a TG thread and you want to talk about how your kid is better because she goes to NU? No one cares! let the TG parents talk about there club without you sticking your nose in or giving your unsolicited opinion.

pay attention people...The poster never said his kid plays lacrosse at a top 20 lax school. He only said his kid attends a top 20 lax school.

"Potato head" - that one made me laugh, thanks.

Why is this on Top Guns. Move on.

because there's nothing to talk about regarding tg, so this give you some reason to check the thread

I would rather silence, than the nonsense thats been going on.

Will there still be 3 teams for 2021? I heard most girls didn't accept the spot on White, so what happens to the rest that said yes?

They make two huge teams of 25 or 26 girls like they did with 2018

the more the merrier...just think how many new lax moms and dads you get to know on the sidelines!!

They did that with 2017 purple and never told parents until after checks were cashed. The following year 10 girls left. Look for clubs with 1 team per age group.

Call TG and ask them.

too afraid of coach.

They won't answer until they are done counting money

Heard they only have 1 goalie out of the "3" teams, and that many on white and purple didn't take the invite, but they are filling purple with girls from West Islip who didn't even attend tryouts. Even the black roster is a mess as girls the 6 Elevate girls who they offered spots to didn't all pay their first payment yet. Probably waiting until after YJ tryouts. Feel sorry for those girls at 2021 over at TG, total mess. What they are doing and the shuffling isn't fair to the girls who tried out and who have been with the program for the last few years.

If the Smiths cared, this wouldn't have happened. Since they don't, this is what you get. 4th straight year of girls leaving. Great business model

What the heck is going on w the 2019 college commits at this age .It just does not make sense that so few at this point are committed .I get that it's still early but a lot of schools are either already done at this age or finishing up and have little to no scholarship left .Not the best team in the age group but as they say the college coaches recruit players not teams , along those lines it seems the 2020 group is doing well and they are really even a weaker team .Are a lot of the 19's looking at slower moving schools that give little to no athletic money like the Ivies etc . I know it sounds harsh but really just curious as my daughter will be there in a couple years .

Yeah because they are staying with elevate.

maybe its not a strong class for TG?

Top Guns have no college connections anymore in respect to recruiting. The person who had the main college contacts at the big schools has left a few years ago. They are feeling the effects of this now. SS has a conflict of interest, and when BS calls (or says he calls) he is probably laughed at as he really doesn't know lacrosse. He puts on a good show, because he's been around it. But realistically no bueno.

Maybe the 2019s are taking their time and really researching schools to find the best fit for their child and not just jumping at the 1st school that offers them anything because of the "name of the school. Saying you're going to a Md, UNC or other big schools sounds great but if you're just on the sideline and not playing doesn't really mean much. Being a schools top recruit and being the bottom recruit certainly have different meanings!!