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That is very good advice!!

Here's an interesting question. When you have two large rosters going into their last season of travel and girls leave for whatever reason. Do you play with whoever is left or do you add girls that come to tryout? Both teams will still have at least 22 players with the girls that are leaving. Do you add new girls for one summer?

Your wasting your money also going to camps without communicating with the coaches beforehand.

I agree with this. Regardless of what club you play for. A player should email the coach expressing an interest in the school. If they have a hilights reel attach to email. The say if they are interested in having you come to camp and/or clinic to contact your travel coordinator. It they are then they will

Looking for feedback on 2021 Black. Heard that 7 girls from last year's roster aren't returning (at least 2 going to YJA). How is the coaching?

TG 2021 Black wasn't all that good last year. If they have lost 7 players then that will certainly not help them.

Undergoing the 3rd or 4th coaching change in as many years. This team has lost over ten of their most talented players and the reason for most is the poor coaching. Learn from other peoples mistakes and steer clear of this program. You will be underwhelmed all the time. Even when BS tries to coach, he really isn't a good coach himself. He was just another crazy lacrosse dad who passes himself off as a coach. He and the program cannot help your daughter increase her lax IQ, and play the game at the next level.

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Funny stuff....So first they lost 2 players , then 5, then 7 now 10.
Just for record to bring some FACTS to conversation.

Beat every team on LI except YJ who they haven't had opportunity to play. Did lose to Liberty at Hofstra

results from summer 2016 season

National draw-4-0
The Grind-Champs
Best of Beach-Champs
Hofstra-Champs

If my daughter was scrimmaging with the TG Black girls at the end of the tryout, does that mean she probably made the Black team? Looked like about 24 girls in that group. TIA

To clarify the loss occurred over the last 3 seasons. Every year 2-3 talented girls leave and not everyone left for YJ.

So just for the record since you seem to be in the know, how many 2021 Blk did not attend tryouts?

Can anyone provide feedback on the 2023 TG teams. My daughter went to the tryout, there were a lot of girls! We think she has a shot at the B team. How does the B team compare to A in Talent and Coaching. How do they compare to other top teams on the Island for this age group? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Yes, that is a good indication that she will end up on that team

That's the way they did it when we went there. At the end of the tryout you could see the Black, Purple and White/New teams scrimmaging seperately.

Funny that none of those tournaments have Maryland teams with the exception of National Draw which Skywalkers won. Skywalkers not coming to National Draw anymore either so TG can will all 4 "B" tournaments they play in this summer.

The only semi impressive tournament there was the National draw and ALL the good teams stopped going to that one years ago. This is by design, if this club tried to attend all the tough tournaments you would have nothing to feel good about. You are the perfect example of why they go to weak tournaments.

You seem to forget that CR has a stake in many of the summer tournaments. TG is not invited to half of them. G8 for example. The rest of the tournaments, the Smiths aren't looking to put more money in her pocket.

2021 Black only beat the Purple team by the skin of their teeth at the Hofstra tournament. Purple was in the lead the whole game and lost by 1 point at the very end of the game. Just sayin

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Sorry again.....only the facts on BOTC......Summer Classic in MD. Team did very well. Lost 1 game

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Again....Only the Facts on BOTC-- They won correct. Cmon man a win is a win. What did you play in college.....Horseshoes.

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Please Mr Troll......tell us what team you root for and what top notch tournaments did you attend since you have determined which tournaments are elite. Are you the college horseshoe player. remember....only the facts on BOTC

6 girls from black were not at tryouts. 4-0 at national draw in the B pool.

Again....Only the Facts on BOTC-- They won correct. Cmon man a win is a win. What did you play in college.....Horseshoes.
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Just pointing out that it was a struggle for the Black team to pull out a win against the purple team. That's all, but yes a win is most definitely a win

Does TG hold a few roster spots on their top teams to see if they can scoop up any YJ girls after their tryouts?

Reality is that only top two players going to yj a will be missed ..other five that are leaving can be upgraded with players from purple ...this team will be fine ..

Summer Classic wasn't listed, but since you mention it...Heros was the only top MD team there. M&D and Skywalkers were not. Summer Classic is not well attended and is considered B level tournament.

If we are just talking facts here at BOTC, the fact is that TG is now a B level club. As far as elite tournaments, there are plenty, and TG doesn't come to any of them. Why aren't they at Lax for the Cure? Summer Genesis? G8? Mid-Atlantic Club Championships?

The part that you're leaving out is that many of the YJ teams who attended these "A" level tournaments were in way over their head and got there buts handed to them. I guess YJ has become B level now also if we go by your logic. 2024,2023, 2022 Do we need to go over the beatdowns they took? Hek, the 2023 team could barely get by Igloo here on LI!

Funny how when folks leave for other clubs the people that stay are so quick to throw them under the bus! Sounds like you might just be a bit insecure and if the rest of the parents have the same attitude who can blame them for leaving. It's a sad day when 7 people walk away from a top team and if as you say can be easily be replaced by B kids really doesn't say much about the overall quality of the program.

No one is throwing anyone under the bus ..the point was that after the top two that left the next 5 played limited minutes and could be replaced by the top 5 hard working b players ...I don't think anyone can argue that point ...and if all the weak torny posts are correct the team will be fine ..most clubs should be ok swapping out bottom 5 from top team with top 5 from bottom team ..

How can you judge the quality of amy program from only one team at one age level? TG younger programs are very strong, especially at 2022 and 2023. Ignorant folks make false claims about the demise of TG. If so, then wouldn't the younger teams be weak and have low tryout numbers? Not the case. Compared to all of the other Long Island teams other than YJ, TG has made the case to be the "second best" team at these age levels simply because they beat the other teams from Long Island. 2022 didn't play YJ head to head, but 2023 beat YJ at Shamrock Shootout (for what that tournament in March is worth). The focus should be on the program, not one age level.

The problem is, whatever talent there is on TG at those ages will be on YJ by the time they get to 8th grade and usually sooner than that

Looking for feedback from those who left YJ B and went to TG black ... Good decision? Happy? (YJ and TG haters need not reply). I want to hear from someone who made this particular jump.

I haven't made this particular jump, however I have been researching TG. It is important to learn about your particular year and about the coaches if possible. There are forums for all the girls tryouts by year and you should scan them to see what you can find out.

Nobody left Jones to go to TG black. Girls left for elevate and legacy

As far as I know ..no one has ever come from jacket b to tg black ..one girl came from gold to black last year ..

Exactly. The problem with TG is they can't hold on to their talent for whatever the reason. The good players leave the second they get to recruiting age. It has been happening for 4 years now.

Jones would beat Tg black easily at this point. TG has 1-2 players and a goalie that would be able to make a true "A" club team. the teams newest editions are YJ 3-4 team, Beach Bums, Wave, Express and tg purple, is there anything else to say? there's a reason more kids didn't move when the exodus started - they weren't invited. at this point the majority of the team wouldn't be making Jones team

You are correct, It's also quite puzzling why anyone on Jones would even think of leaving to go to Leg or Elevate. Leg definitely not competitive with any of the good A programs. on LI or Maryland. Not with all the B level talent on any of the teams. Leg is similar to the Equate brand at Walmart, all Fluff no quality.