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Winkoff is a vindictive piece of garbage. Have heard too many stories about this guy and how he treats people. I'm glad his 2019 team fell apart. Karma is a [lacrosse]!

why are you surprised ? ALL the club teams are the same no one calls repeat players that don't make a team... it is a business and they don't owe any players anything...

why are you surprised ? ALL the club teams are the same no one calls repeat players that don't make a team... it is a business and they don't owe any players anything..


Every single club does they same way. No surprises.

How did United fall apart? No they didn't win every game but won a bunch of tournaments including Pro Player, Beach Lax, LI Laxfest and NXT. If you call that falling apart what is your definition of keeping it together?

You are wrong I know for a fact that Outlaws do that because my son received a call last season. You guys are very quick to attack the Outlaws but are a first rate organization. Think the real problem is Mommy and Daddy have an unreal expectation of where Little Johnny fits in

Outlaws are a legit B team, A- maybe. Decent coaching, they pull some good kids from around where they are based. They never compete with the better teams. Here is the issue, and it's not a knock on the outlaws lax program, the parents are so douchey that when they get one big win a year the parents start acting stupid like the team is an A team. It's the most insecure parent organization there is.

This is most accurate statement ever on BOTC!

Hogwash

We had a fine season w fl$ a few years ago. Respected their philosophy for the younger guys (skills vs winning). Practices / communications weren't great, Lost all respect for Mike W when our son decided to move on. He was nasty and condescending. It validated our son's decision for us.

We will see. My bet is outlaws wind up in the top 3 on LI this year. Right with 90+1 and express. Igloo right there too. Legacy got better also. Everyone quick to jump on outlaws. Look at what this age group has done the last 2 years. 1 win? What about playing express tough 5-6 times. Smash 2 goal game that outlaws outplayed them. Igloo a 2 goal game. Give credit where credit is due. They are a good team that can compete and will compete with anyone. They have added a few big pieces too.

That's a common theme when dealing with Mike. The rest of the management of that organization is much better, but Mike ruins it.

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Now did you really have to do that??? Freaking loser that you are!!!

My son has got a great deal better playing under Mike's system. Mike is a stand up guy and man of his word. Probably the most organized program on LI. Very active program, year round. They play everybody, not just the chosen 10 or 12.

The team dismantled. Is that clear enough

Just be ready for the coaches to start losing their mind when the team starts losing

We love you too !

Hi mike ! Great to see you on BOTC!

I admire the optimism but outlaws are not in the same conversation as express , 91 or Igloo. At least not yet. Good luck though. Parity is good for everyone.

After watching tryouts the last two days I hope that Iglo is willing to make some changes to both the A bad B team to be more competitive . You need to be able to score against the better teams so please put kids out their on the fields that can do so. . Here is hoping they do so because both teams could be pretty good.

No way. Igloo is locked in to keeping the same core kids on A that truly belong on B or on different club. That will never change. That was shown last year when they added a B team but didn't move the appropriate players down to B. It's unfortunate bc that is what's keeping them from being the top team at this grade level.

and some of the A players have been offered the select team and or express. interesting to see what happens

For love of whatever is a very biased club towards kids from GC, Set and CSH. My son was cut a couple of years ago in favor of a GC kid at his position. 8 months later they were begging me to have my son come back and "tryout". I said he's not trying out, but you can offer me free tuition and a spot if you want. Oh, we can't do that they said... Long and the short, my son goes on and commits to a top 25 D1 program. Not sure where his replacement is in the process. Things happen for the best!

Before I make a deposit, can I get opinions on Hitmen, True Blue and Recon? Thank you

No Igloo A's were at Express tryout so your statement sounds false to me.

Recon and Nelson would be my choice
True Blue coaches are not all in
Hitmen move kids down to round out teams

Recon I do not know anything about, Hitmen at this age have a very good coach, they are a solid B team. My son played them once & we know some of the families, all seem to be happy. True Blue had 2 teams at this age last year. My son played their top team twice last year. Not very good. their second team had the Adelphi coach. but check to see if he is going to be at games and practices. During the spring Adelphi is always in the D11 Tournament and early summer he has to recruit. May not be around much.

Nelson doesn't coach 2022

So you tried to shake them down for free tuition?? And they said no??

Terrible. You showed them!

So you actually think you need to go to express tryouts to make the A team or be offered a spot ??!! That's great!

Same crap different year.. probably the same guy spewing this against the outlaws. He doesn't give up.

1- Hitmen
2- True Blue
3- Recon

United was completely dismantled is correct. Only things staying the same are the name and some of the coaches. We know 2 kids who were offered spots on United and to be honest with you they would not make any of the other A teams on Long Island. The team lost a lot of top notch talent and will be lucky to be an A- team this season. Don't understand paying all that money to be on a 2nd team, but to each is own as they say. Good Luck and hope you get your moneys worth

I think I did! Went elsewhere and committed to a great school, with an awesome scholarship. My son wouldn't have gone back if they paid him go back. Shakedown? Not even close. Pay back for messing with a kids head, absolutely.

[quote=Anonymous]No Igloo A's were at Express tryout so your statement sounds false to me.


Big vacation week

Where would you put Express and Blue Fish in that order?

You couldn't make it anymore obvious you are part of Recon - I have 2 sons on the last team you mentioned. Both have played up but never down. I've been with them from the start about 5 years ago and between both my boys been to basically every tournament they've done and they've never once played out.

We did destroy your 5th grade team with out 6th grade team in a 5th/6th combined bracket. Your coach was upset but knows my son is actually a 5th grader playing on that team, yet he still liked to tell you differently.

Oh and that same 6th grade team beat your 7th grade...I try not to get into this stuff but it's pretty funny how wrong some people are....

My son is playing his age this year because 7th grade is stacked. Depending on how they gel - looking at a B++->A range.

Where did you get all this info from? Yes some kids were brought up to the elite team some kids from smash came "down" and weakest players were replaced. How does that translate to being a bad team? They should be able to compete in every game still. And as of right now the only coach is RC the assistant has not been chosen.

Nobody said United was a bad team. What was said is they will be nowhere near as strong as they were last year. Every position is not as strong as it was last season.

Wouldn't have gone back if they paid ? That's exactly what you asked for. Lol. And we are supposed to believe you son got a "great scholarship" and you are here in the 2022 thread mouthing off about it?? Kids get cut from programs for two reasons.

1. Ability
2.parents

If any of your story is credible , I would say your problem was number 2 based on what I have read so far.

Blue fish 4. Express is in a different league