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Looneys will have the issue of managing a huge roster of kids whose parents are full of themselves. Will be interesting to watch that dynamic unfold. The new kids clearly did not do their research.

Your a complete nut. The kids that are committed from FCA and all the other clubs are kids that have worked hard and will continue to work hard. Their character doesn't change because their committed. So many parents with 2020 kids that are not committed want to take a shot at these kids one way or another. FCA is going to be really good as is Looneys.

Did an adult write this? Who talks like this?

Hey Looney's club troll..you must know that Looney's cruised at their end of the season philly summer invite without their Fogo. 5-0 How do you explain that. Tomohawks, Hawks, Rasing sons and Hard true top Canadian team made up of all Edge players Made it look easy.

BJ's ex wife. Try harder to keep up.

Time will tell. Think much of the comments toward the 2020 commits comes from the fact that many (not all) got where they are by playing against kids younger then themselves and did so as a calculated gesture orchestrated by their parents and some unscrupulous coaches. Many of them are no better than true 2020s who were not given the advantage of holding back or being connected with their own parent as a coach which translates into more playing time and connections others do not have, agreed it is part of life but let's not kid ourselves that any of the Maryland 2020 commits who we have all watched play through the years are superior to other players on the top 10 teams in this area. They just had better "agents" and in terms of FCA a preestablished pipeline to UNC and miraculously all are now CH or FCA players - part of the deal? Not a coincidence and not necessarily the best. Nobody wishes any of these kids harm but everyone recognizes exactly how they got there - except for their own parents.

Just the usual troll out to make trouble. If the rest just ignore this type of idiot maybe we can get back to discussing lacrosse tand not supporting the personal vendetta nonsense.

Not correct. The three Looney's 2020 commits to UNC this summer have never played for FCA and are still on Looney's 2020 for the upcoming season.

I see you are still supporting BJ. Well, that is your choice and others have a different and correct opinion of him. Plus we do not need to read your useless dribble. BOOM

As one of the families who left the team very reluctantly, I can tell you that we agree with the poster above. bJ is a great coach and cares about the kids and families which is not seen much anymore. Several who left the team did so to align themselves with their high school teams/coaches and it was a difficult decision. It is okay if you have a different opinion but stop with the immature booms and constant attacks on an individual coach. There is no sense is trying to discredit any coach- just keep your kid where you want them and let others do the same.

I am an adult and I just farted.

Anyone know anyone who attended DC Exoress tryouts?

Agreed.

And that, my friends, was straight from the brain of an angry and frustrated parent. It's hardly entirely the work of an "agent" when multiple schools (more than 8) are vying to talk to a kid. It's also not any type of coincidence. It's physical prowess. On another note, kids go everywhere from Calvert Hall to play lacrosse, not just UNC. And one of the UMD commits attends Loyola Blakefield and has since sixth grade. So this just blows your whole argument out of the water.

For those of you who continuously complain about holdbacks in lacrosse, your kids will likely never be as successful as they'd like to be. And that's not because some other kid is 3 days, 3 weeks, or 3 months older than him. It's because he, like you, blames external factors for his own shortcomings. The right combination of confidence and humility is needed to achieve greatness and success in any endeavor in life….humility being one of the biggest keys. The kids who succeed are the ones who believe that they can be better tomorrow than they were today and they don't believe that anyones else owes them anything.

Unless they are holdbacks then the putting in the work analogy falls apart.

Please don't patronize us with your drivel. My on age kid will be good at what he does (school, lacrosse, etc) because he works hard at it. If he doesn't work at it - he won't. Hard work leads to success.

However, pretending that a kid who is 16 in the 8th (Crabs) does not have a huge advantage over the kids he is playing against is complete nonsense. If you are holding your kid back for lacrosse - you are the problem. Have your kid play against his own peers rather than younger kids. It's a shame he can't compete so you feel the need to game the system. Life is tough...

It really stinks here. UGH... Spicy sausage did not help.

Exactly. They seem to know exactly what everyone else should do, they have a different plan though, and will use all manner of rationalization and deflection to justify it.

Very light attendance - mostly carryover from last year's team

Again, nobody ever has a response for the Parent that posted his holdback summer 2000 bday 2019 player turned down most of top 10 programs and ultimately quietly committed to "top ivy" (wherever that means).. You are all in denial if you say that you wouldn't consider reclassifying if it meant your child would get into Harvard or Princeton by doing so. I would moonlight at Denny's to pay for the extra year of middle school and then the tutuion to make that happen for my child. Maybe that's just me..

I agree I think most would. But we also would like our son to earn his way into a Ivy League school

If you read what I wrote I was specifically commenting about the complaints about kids being three freaking days or weeks older than the cut off date to be "on age"

What's wrong with Kooper's?

The Koopers helmet is a BL Holdback, so by default had to make the team. Helped him that a third of the team left and no one cam to tryouts as well.

Here we go again ...

You know the kid that is going to be successful? The one that challenges themselves. The ones with character. Integrity. Grit.

So in one corner you've got a holdback kid who plays down to dominate.

In the other corner you've got an on age kid who plays up or holds his own with his peers.

Tell me wise one, which kid embodies all the values you espouse? Which kid would you rather be in the trenches with? Work with? Which kid do you think is working harder and being challenged more? Which one builds more confidence?

You know the answer. You just don't want to admit it.

TALENT PLAYS UP. PERIOD.

Without question I would want to work with the kid who had a summer bday whos parents reclassed him just to give him a better chance of getting an IVY league education. "Where there is a will there's way" ...I know you are even smart enough to recognize alumni network alone is priceless. Those people also realize that nobody that matters cares about whether thier son is 18 or 19 when they go off to Harvard.. It's a dog eat dog world out there and until they move away from a grade based system dont fight it. I promise you when your son gets that verbal to ND because he is 5 weeks older then some other players you will reflect back and feel very good about the opportunity you gave him.

Madlax 2020 lost a bunch of kids to BW. Could be a rough year.

More like, the ends justify the means, no thanks. Character counts.

That would be two in a row...

Well they can enjoy the 4 practices and 4 tournaments over a 12 month time frame. Hope they all play at a top private high school who does tons of outside season lacrosse. If not enjoy watching your sons skill level off and stop increasing. You need to play to get better not sit around waiting for SJ to have a off day so you can practice one time a month.

God, you are a real peach. I am a BW dad, and you are totally misinformed/lying when you say BW only practices 4x a year. Please.

Maybe you should direct your efforts to figuring out why kids leave your club for others time and time again. Not hard to figure out why.

3 days or 3 weeks do not make a difference in a kid's ability to "dominate".
Just stop whining!

No Edge players on Hard Core (think Hard Tru is a type of tennis court)

It may just be you - there is no circumstance where I would hold my son back unless there were an educational reason to do so. Definitely not for lax, so he could get $0 in an Ivy or maybe $5-$8K in another D1 school. But maybe that's just me.

Rasing Sons is so good though - I don't know, between Tomohawks, them, and Hard True, that may be this year's top 3! hahahahahaha

You mean like how you holdback apologists keep whining to stop complaining? Got it.

Oh sorry. Same obnxious wing nut parents. So I assumed..

Well then why hold back? Your 3-day or 3-week older kid held back would likely be the youngest on his on-age team by only that same amount.

Personally I'm not sitting here complaining about it. But if it doesn't make a difference one way, then it shouldn't make a difference the other way and there's no reason to do it. I'm not going to judge what you do with your kid, but you obviously think there's some advantage to be had or you wouldn't be doing it.

I don't think reasonable people would think that there's much of an advantage when it's only three days, or three weeks, or (maybe) three months. But you have to set lines somewhere, and when people game the system around those lines, by no matter how much, people have a tendency to get upset.

The thing that really makes a difference is when puberty hits. If several (or most) kids on a team have already hit puberty because they've been held back, and they're playing against kids that haven't, that's where it actually is unfair. That's why the issue is 7th and 8th grade. Because kids held back one or two years in those grades are more likely to have hit puberty than on-age kids in those grades.

You hear stories about on-age 8th graders playing against a twice-held back 8th grader who drove to the game and was about 6-2 225 (I've seen that happen). I'm not sure really what that kid gets out of playing kids half (or less) his size, except film showing him dominating kids he should be dominating.

I've said it before... high school is the great equalizer. When that kid finally has to play against kids his size that have experience against older kids, you'll see how good he really is.

But there are safety and player-development issues that should be addressed. Youth sports (before high school) should focus less on winning and recruiting and more on player development. No one gets anything out of a 20-0 game, and believe me I've been on both sides of those games. Those kinds of results should be rare, and they should be addressed in some way when they happen.