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WHY???

Let's start with a complete lack of coaching experience (not saying she will not be a good coach but no one knows, great players do not always make good coaches)

Agreed, not all great players make great coaches, but some do. I am certain this is not the first time SS is having her abilities questioned. As a new TG parent, I was also skeptical of a recent college graduate's ability to form and run a top-tier lacrosse club. Seeing is believing.

First, this young woman has excelled at the highest level on an off the lacrosse field. Obviously, a few people at the college level believe she is qualified as a coach. How else would you explain her walking into Hofstra seeking an assistant's position and being offered the head coaching job as a 22-year old. Unprecedented. Do you think the new Hofstra Athletic Director was willing to take a "flyer" on a recent college graduate or did some research prior to offering her the position? Will she be an exceptional college coach? Remains to be seen.

Second, imagine your son/daughter or yourselves returning home as a college Freshman (19-year old) and announcing that you're going to form a women's travel lacrosse team. Then in four years time, your U15 team places 3rd in nationals, falling to the eventual champion by a goal in the semi-finals after defeating them in pool play. Perhaps some, including the Hofstra people, concluded that SS's formation of TG and the results to date point to an ability to (i) start something from scratch; (ii) recruit talent and (iii) coach that talent well enough to compete effectively on a national level.

Given the above, has SS proven her ability to coach / teach youth lacrosse at a high level? Absolutely.

this is funny....you've got way too much time to think about this CR and SS stuff...get a life and/or a job!

I have a job where I have accumulated enough credit and respect that I can take five minuets from my day and do as I please without fear. Secondly it didn't take any thought at all, It's just the story I was told , now go make your husband dinner and earn your keep.

I have a job where I have accumulated enough credit and respect that I can take five minuets from my day and do as I please without fear. Secondly it didn't take any thought at all, It's just the story I was told , now go make your husband dinner and earn your keep.

I have a job where I have accumulated enough credit and respect that I can take five minuets from my day and do as I please without fear. Secondly it didn't take any thought at all, It's just the story I was told , now go make your husband dinner and earn your keep.

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

Given the above ,no she has not proven anything and your reasoning is silly.Because she was hired as a coach you make the assumption that she must be a good coach,you even end it stating it remains to be seen.Do you think the U15 team making it to the semis could be attributed more to the depth of talent on long island considering the YJ 2 team made it to the finals.The one thing she has proven is that she is a great player although according to you that would prove that the YJ must have the best coaching around because they are the club she trained with(do not believe this to be true).For my money DG is best coach on the island until someone proves differently.

We can debate back and forth on her qualifications as a coach. Were CR and DG 19 years of age when they started YJ and Liberty, respectively? I highly doubt it. Clearly, the LI talent pool helps ... but it helps all existing LI clubs, not just TG. The reality is that YJ, Liberty, Express, Elevate, LI Wave were all around before SS started TG. So she had to compete for talent with more established organization, run by adults as opposed to a teenager.

If memory serves correctly, TG played the U15 champions "Skywalkers" twice, defeating them by a goal in pool play and losing by a goal in the semifinals. YJ 2 was blown out in the finals.

Bottom line, SS has built a top-flight club able to compete effectively with YJ, Liberty, Express etc.

Her abilities as a player have far more to do with the efforts of SS and Bill Smith than anything CR ever did.

Exactly, STORY you were told. I hear stories all the time. It doesn't make them true. I usually check my facts so I don't look stupid and uninformed...

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

Here is your problem ,you will not give any credit to SS YJ training for her playing ability ,yet you want to give SS all the credit for her TG teams playing ability, can't have it both ways.If memory serves me correctly your TG teams have never won a national championship caliber tournament. Giving her credit for wanting to cash in on her name at such a young age everyone knows it's her dad who runs the organization and all he has done is attempted to copy CR and DG model.Give credit to the pioneers not the copy cat.

Just curious since we are new to the travel tryout circuit- is it the norm to make evaluation decisions 8 days after a tryout? I'm Not a disgruntled parent, my daughter was fortunate enough to make a TG team, her friends did not fair so well but have played on an opponents team for the past 2 years. Thanks in advance-please no insult/negative comments.

2. With Shannon running a D-1 program the likelihood of her having the time to coach Top Guns is highly unlikely seeing as she will be running camps ,clinics and scouting for Hofstra during the summer.

With NCAA rukles about contacting and recruiing students I am not quite sure how much contact SS can have with these children as a head coach of a D1 school. I'd be interested to know how much contact she can have, I once heard that the only thing coaches can do is run clinics, but I don't know.

Thats where the problem is they can't. SS was no star when she started playing YJ in 5-6th grade. She played YJ for at least 6 years and NO don't believe I ever saw dad coach and help her on any YJ teams throughout her career. You cant tell the readers that YJ had absolutely nothing to do with her development that's simply wrong.

The TG program developed by mom and dad using her name. Only time will tell how good she really is as a coach. Her record 0-0-0 stands for itself. She has her work cut out for her and is way behind in recruiting 2014 class Stonybrook appears to have to leg up on long island. Good luck to all.

Okay let's apply your thinking, if you want to give the yjs credit for all of ss training and accomplishments go right ahead, but using that logic we should have several thousand girls performing at the level she has, which is not the case. The deal is, she is an exceptional athlete in many sports with a drive and desire very rarely seen. I have no doubt she would have become one of the most accomplished and decorated playyers in the history of the sport had she opted to play for Liberty or ppretty much anyone else. Clubs don't make great players, she is an extremely athletic girl with an amazing work ethic and drive, if your daughhter doesn't bring that to the table, no club in the world is going to turn her into the next SS.

well said

My daughter plays for a rival club to both Y.J and T.G so I truly have no dog in this fight , Just an unbiassed opinion. I truly believe that shannon, unlike Carol, just wants girls to succeed in life and lacrosse, so I think shannon will not have a problem referring a girl, or allowing one of her coaches to refer a girl to a team within conference if that is where that girl truly wants to play, Carol on the other hand is a bitter old woman that harbors ill will for any one that dare defies her.If Shannon wants a particular player from any club, she can give the best offer she can, she does not need to deal with Carol Rose in any manner unless that player goes to North Port, and even with that, only on a limited basis. The only people that stand to get hurt are North Port players seeking an opportunity to play at Hofstra, and relies on Carol for help. As far as your ill informed statement about Carol doing so much for Shannon, I believe that Shannon's father took her and a group of girls all over the east coast to 7 v 7 fall ball events, and never used Carols over priced recruiting service, that coupled with being the best High school player for years is what got Shannon to N.U.. Carol had nothing to do with it and was mad at Bill for not ponying up the money for her help. If anything Shannon did Carol a favor by playing for her. I mean listen to you bitter Y.J's always saying how Shannon was A Yellow Jacket and how she betrayed you leader. Truth be told, If shannon would have played for Liberty, the only other all girls club at the time, and then went on to N.U. and accomplished the same achievements, Liberty would be the dominate club on Long Island, so Carol should thank Shannon instead of complaining about her.

The ill will between the two has nothing to do with the recruiting services- you are obviously misinformed. Since you state that you are not with either club maybe you should get correct info before you post. It had to do with how Top Gun started and that is all I will say. Get the correct info and you may understand. She did betray coach rose. Smith would have become the player she is no matter who she played for and everyone on yj knows this.

The ill will between the two has nothing to do with the recruiting services- you are obviously misinformed. Since you state that you are not with either club maybe you should get correct info before you post. It had to do with how Top Gun started and that is all I will say. Get the correct info and you may understand. She did betray coach rose. Smith would have become the player she is no matter who she played for and everyone on yj knows this.

Not to perpetuate an argument but you challenged the previous poster to get their facts right and sorry but you are mis informed as well. TG didn't really actively recruit YJs at its inception. If anyone should be royally pissed its the SC All Stars whose entire teams made the switch. With that said even if they did recruit some kids I am sure that is not unethical or wrong for that matter. How is a club supposed to start? Do the current clubs own the rights to their members or are they free to join another if they choose? Being spiteful and downright nasty and unethical should not have been the response from Carol. SC All Stars did not behave that way.

She's mad because if someone can come along and within a couple years start and build their own competitive club, it severely reduces the value of the club she is trying to sell. We have all heard the price tag in the millions, she couldn't get it a couple years ago and the price seem even more silly now. [lacrosse] if a 19 yr old kid can go out and start up a profitable clun instantly, who would bother to buy yjs?

There are plenty of us dumb parents throwing cash around for all the club directors to cash in on. Why can't they all just get along?

If I am not mistaken YJ has grown leaps and bounds in the past 4 years even with the existence of TG. Don't really see TG cutting into anything YJ is doing. I heard YJ branching out into another part of the state too!! Hum I guess they are not so worried about all the speculation and drama you people make up.

As for the ill feelings can we just say SOUTHBAY. Maybe that will ring a bell for SS. Seems to me that's where all the drama begins.

Awesome. YJ is expanding and doing great. Then there is no need for YJ members to come on a TG thread defending CR. It is entertaining to read their posts in a car accident kinda way however.

These directors are not even concerned with eachother. The only people concerned are you tools making up all this crap about them. They have all been doing this for a while and I have never scene any drama on the field between them. All there programs are doing well and all you people to is insight I'll feelings and rumors about all of them. It makes no sense.