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The refs are mostly too old and can't or won't run in the summer heat - and it hasn't been overwhelmingly hot this year so far. Refs are routinely making calls from 40-50 yards away. There needs to be a greater effort to get younger guys in their. One young guy (I am guessing early 30s) yesterday was excellent. Ran his [lacrosse] off, and was very authoritative and vocal explaining his calls. Always on top of the play, and even when he got something "wrong", parents didn't say anything because the guy was giving it 100% and was getting everything else right.

Its very frustrating for me to see an obvious wrong call (or wrong non-call) when I, on the sideline, are MUCH closer to the play than the ref is. A big one, at the younger levels, is the stick on stick, and then the ball carrier falls. That should never be a push, but from 40 yards away its impossible to tell and often these refs are blowing the whistle. Its confusing to a 10 year old who thinks he made a proper check and made a real effort to stay off the kid's back.

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The refs are mostly too old and can't or won't run in the summer heat - and it hasn't been overwhelmingly hot this year so far. Refs are routinely making calls from 40-50 yards away. There needs to be a greater effort to get younger guys in their. One young guy (I am guessing early 30s) yesterday was excellent. Ran his [lacrosse] off, and was very authoritative and vocal explaining his calls. Always on top of the play, and even when he got something "wrong", parents didn't say anything because the guy was giving it 100% and was getting everything else right.

Its very frustrating for me to see an obvious wrong call (or wrong non-call) when I, on the sideline, are MUCH closer to the play than the ref is. A big one, at the younger levels, is the stick on stick, and then the ball carrier falls. That should never be a push, but from 40 yards away its impossible to tell and often these refs are blowing the whistle. Its confusing to a 10 year old who thinks he made a proper check and made a real effort to stay off the kid's back.


Does NCLOA / SCLOA encourage teams to rate the officials at their games? This could be a step in the right direction if it doesn't exist today. Give positive feedback for the young guy doing it right & give poor feedback for the guy who is making the call from across the field.


This is probably an issue across all sports, not just lacrosse.

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The refs are mostly too old and can't or won't run in the summer heat - and it hasn't been overwhelmingly hot this year so far. Refs are routinely making calls from 40-50 yards away. There needs to be a greater effort to get younger guys in their. One young guy (I am guessing early 30s) yesterday was excellent. Ran his [lacrosse] off, and was very authoritative and vocal explaining his calls. Always on top of the play, and even when he got something "wrong", parents didn't say anything because the guy was giving it 100% and was getting everything else right.

Its very frustrating for me to see an obvious wrong call (or wrong non-call) when I, on the sideline, are MUCH closer to the play than the ref is. A big one, at the younger levels, is the stick on stick, and then the ball carrier falls. That should never be a push, but from 40 yards away its impossible to tell and often these refs are blowing the whistle. Its confusing to a 10 year old who thinks he made a proper check and made a real effort to stay off the kid's back.


Does NCLOA / SCLOA encourage teams to rate the officials at their games? This could be a step in the right direction if it doesn't exist today. Give positive feedback for the young guy doing it right & give poor feedback for the guy who is making the call from across the field.


This is probably an issue across all sports, not just lacrosse.


But nothing will change, there are not enough referee's as it is. Check the web site, they are always looking for refs. Who has the time to ref a game at 3:00 on a Tuesday during the school year? It is a tough job to fill. You can rank them as poorly as you want they will be there anyways.

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Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off

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Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.

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Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


No one forces anyone to participate, if it doesn't work for your son or daughter then don't do it pretty simple.

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Where is the schedule for the Express tournament. They can't even put forth a good effort running a tournament where they make $$$

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Where is the schedule for the Express tournament. They can't even put forth a good effort running a tournament where they make $$$


BOTC can not help you with that. I suggest that you contact Mike C.

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Where is the schedule for the Express tournament. They can't even put forth a good effort running a tournament where they make $$$

All for the low low price of $1,700 per team!!

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Where is the schedule for the Express tournament. They can't even put forth a good effort running a tournament where they make $$$

All for the low low price of $1,700 per team!!


But everyone will attend
The only thing clubs understand is a hit to the wallet
Sorry but facts are facts

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Much worse I am sure then all the other tournaments tha don't rip you off right? You and your checkbook pay to play in all of them.

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Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.


Chanenchuk still owes me a pair of Express shorts from 6 years ago. Is that a State congressman or a county executive that I need to contact?

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Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.


Chanenchuk still owes me a pair of Express shorts from 6 years ago. Is that a State congressman or a county executive that I need to contact?


Ah were those the bubble shorts

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I agree. Really shouldn't be that difficult. Some tourneys have them out weeks in advance.

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Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.


Chanenchuk still owes me a pair of Express shorts from 6 years ago. Is that a State congressman or a county executive that I need to contact?


Ah were those the bubble shorts


Travel lacrosse is an OPTION for you and your kid. No one is forcing you to pay the $. If you're not happy don't play!

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Maverik schedule????? This is ridiculous. People have more than one kid or event this weekend.

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Maverik schedule????? This is ridiculous. People have more than one kid or event this weekend.

They sent it to the directors yesterday.

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Maverik schedule????? This is ridiculous. People have more than one kid or event this weekend.

They sent it to the directors yesterday.


They made many errors and will be correcting tonight

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Listen people. Unless we all start putting in complaints to the attorney general of New [lacrosse] the scam will continue to take place. These teams are taking our money without any type of contract and can pretty much bend the rules how they see fit. Would you give a contractor 3k without a contract of the work that would be done? No way. Travel lax has gotten so big on Long Island that there needs to be some regulation or we will continue to be ripped off


This is the stupidest thing ever written.

We need to be protected from the big bad travel lacrosse organizations. "Please Mr. Schneiderman, stop tracking down corrupt politicians and make sure I get the RP3 head that they promised my son with his tuition."

Just so stupid.


Chanenchuk still owes me a pair of Express shorts from 6 years ago. Is that a State congressman or a county executive that I need to contact?


Ah were those the bubble shorts


Travel lacrosse is an OPTION for you and your kid. No one is forcing you to pay the $. If you're not happy don't play!


Don't be a tool, if you pay for a service any company should provide what they promised even the crooks in club lacrosse

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What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

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What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs


WHAT HAPPEND?

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What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

You are completely correct. They have changed the schedule at least 4 times in the last 2 days. Whoever is doing the schedule is completely over his head and keeps making it worse with every change.

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True Blue is playing true blue in 2022 bracket

Absolutely no thought is put into this POS tournament

wth.???? Why pay 1500 to play against a team you
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What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

You are completely correct. They have changed the schedule at least 4 times in the last 2 days. Whoever is doing the schedule is completely over his head and keeps making it worse with every change.

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True Blue is playing true blue in 2022 bracket

Absolutely no thought is put into this POS tournament

wth.???? Why pay 1500 to play against a team you
Can play for free?
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What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

You are completely correct. They have changed the schedule at least 4 times in the last 2 days. Whoever is doing the schedule is completely over his head and keeps making it worse with every change.
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True Blue is playing true blue in 2022 bracket

Absolutely no thought is put into this POS tournament

wth.???? Why pay 1500 to play against a team you
Can play for free?
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What a bunch of jerkOFFFFFFFFFs

You are completely correct. They have changed the schedule at least 4 times in the last 2 days. Whoever is doing the schedule is completely over his head and keeps making it worse with every change.



That's the chance you take when your club puts 2 teams in the same tournament there really should be 2 pools though.

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Refs at Maverik Big Time Shootout were awful.

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Refs at Maverik Big Time Shootout were awful.

This was absolutely the worst run tournament in my 6 years of being involved in travel lacrosse. Maverik should be ashamed of themselves.

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Refs at Maverik Big Time Shootout were awful.

This was absolutely the worst run tournament in my 6 years of being involved in travel lacrosse. Maverik should be ashamed of themselves.
and they made a fortune!!!

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When will someone start policing the ages of kids in tournaments. 2025 True Blue played Express this weekend. Beat them in their first game and met them again in the Championship. Only difference was they grabbed 5-7 kids from their 2024 team to beat the 2025 True Blue Team in the Championship..

What kind of BS is this. Start checking birth certificates like Football and Baseball. All organizations like Express care about is winning tournaments even if it means cheating so they can charge more money!!!!


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When will someone start policing the ages of kids in tournaments. 2025 True Blue played Express this weekend. Beat them in their first game and met them again in the Championship. Only difference was they grabbed 5-7 kids from their 2024 team to beat the 2025 True Blue Team in the Championship..

What kind of BS is this. Start checking birth certificates like Football and Baseball. All organizations like Express care about is winning tournaments even if it means cheating so they can charge more money!!!!



Really shouldn't be difficult. Submit a team roster prior to 1st game of tourney. Check the roster prior to start of each game. If kid isn't on the submitted roster, then can't play.

Of course teams will always find ways around that - register more kids than on the team....give kids different jerseys....etc

But at least try to make the game as fair as possible

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When will someone start policing the ages of kids in tournaments. 2025 True Blue played Express this weekend. Beat them in their first game and met them again in the Championship. Only difference was they grabbed 5-7 kids from their 2024 team to beat the 2025 True Blue Team in the Championship..

What kind of BS is this. Start checking birth certificates like Football and Baseball. All organizations like Express care about is winning tournaments even if it means cheating so they can charge more money!!!!



Went from a 6-1 loss to a 10-2 win. Something is fishy there. Anyone else there to confirm the shenanigans? It sure looks funny from the scores on Tourney Machine.

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They used to do it, sick of express cheating, did it a couple of years ago as well. Their motto is sportsmanship, leadership, in what?

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us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it

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What's probably worse are the 2025 parents whose kids sat that championship game without complaint so little Johnny could get his t-shirt.

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When will someone start policing the ages of kids in tournaments. 2025 True Blue played Express this weekend. Beat them in their first game and met them again in the Championship. Only difference was they grabbed 5-7 kids from their 2024 team to beat the 2025 True Blue Team in the Championship..

What kind of BS is this. Start checking birth certificates like Football and Baseball. All organizations like Express care about is winning tournaments even if it means cheating so they can charge more money!!!!


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us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it


Socccer had big issues with cheating, roster changes, , etc years ago...They cleaned it up with a simple player card with photo...So simple and administered by US Soccer.. I have very very rarely ever heard a parent say anything in Soccer close to what is said about players and grades, age in Lacrosse..Lacrosse is out of control in many tournaments and leagues....USL could easily do this??? Why not?? Gutless is all I can tell...

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us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it


Socccer had big issues with cheating, roster changes, , etc years ago...They cleaned it up with a simple player card with photo...So simple and administered by US Soccer.. I have very very rarely ever heard a parent say anything in Soccer close to what is said about players and grades, age in Lacrosse..Lacrosse is out of control in many tournaments and leagues....USL could easily do this??? Why not?? Gutless is all I can tell...


Roster changing in lacrosse isn't wrong. It isn't a clear league to maintain such a roster there are individual tournaments each week.

The only need for verification is for age range

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us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it


Socccer had big issues with cheating, roster changes, , etc years ago...They cleaned it up with a simple player card with photo...So simple and administered by US Soccer.. I have very very rarely ever heard a parent say anything in Soccer close to what is said about players and grades, age in Lacrosse..Lacrosse is out of control in many tournaments and leagues....USL could easily do this??? Why not?? Gutless is all I can tell...


Roster changing in lacrosse isn't wrong. It isn't a clear league to maintain such a roster there are individual tournaments each week.

The only need for verification is for age range


I think the point is that roster changing shouldn't be allowed. You build a team for the summer season and you should ride that team.

Yes, tournaments are single events but the nature of swapping out half the team each tournament is a little sketchy.

Some sort of guideline/rule/whatever you want to call it..... Teams lock down 1 roster with a max of about 25-30 kids (which would give plenty of room for any necessary guest players) by around April 1. If a kid isn't on that list, they should not be allowed to play in any tournament for that club.

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us lax is gutless and the tournaments and clubs are in it just for the cash. This has been going on for years. kids playing down, holdbacks etc.

Whatever these clubs and tournaments need to do to cash in.

Go like soccer, every kid has a player card with a photo END OF STORY. Change would be easy but the clubs who control the game don't want it


Socccer had big issues with cheating, roster changes, , etc years ago...They cleaned it up with a simple player card with photo...So simple and administered by US Soccer.. I have very very rarely ever heard a parent say anything in Soccer close to what is said about players and grades, age in Lacrosse..Lacrosse is out of control in many tournaments and leagues....USL could easily do this??? Why not?? Gutless is all I can tell...


Roster changing in lacrosse isn't wrong. It isn't a clear league to maintain such a roster there are individual tournaments each week.

The only need for verification is for age range


I think the point is that roster changing shouldn't be allowed. You build a team for the summer season and you should ride that team.

Yes, tournaments are single events but the nature of swapping out half the team each tournament is a little sketchy.

Some sort of guideline/rule/whatever you want to call it..... Teams lock down 1 roster with a max of about 25-30 kids (which would give plenty of room for any necessary guest players) by around April 1. If a kid isn't on that list, they should not be allowed to play in any tournament for that club.


You here of this practice all of the time with the boys teams. Why on earth would you keep your kid on a team that takes your money but brings in kids whenever they want and add them to the team to win a tournament? If this ever happened on my daughters team we would immediately start looking for another program to play on.

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The club directors, coaches, and some parents are only concerned with their win loss record. Most college recruiters don't even have an idea what the score is of the game they're watching. If a team pulled in ringers to win tourney games, my son would be long gone from that particular club.

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Guest players happen a lot and for two reasons. One is ok, one is sketchy as [lacrosse].

A team adds a tournament as an extra and needs to have a guest or two to fill out a roster to play because their team wasn't complete. this isn't so bad but it usually isn't in season and certainly isn't the bigger tournaments

They also invite guests to try to improve. If this is the case, and your son loses one minute of time, move on. It is your son that they are trying to upgrade from. You paid the fees but the greener grass is getting the time. go to a program that doesn't invite guests!

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notice how the tryout fees have rocketed up this year?..used to be 25/50 bucks..now that is gonzo..just another way for programs to squeeze folks...

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