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It's easy to see that CR has far reaching clout wherever she goes. 2019 blue team might have the easiest schedule ever given in this tournament. 3 teams that will not win a game. Next games opponent has lost 3 games by a combined score of 47-8. Tournament is a total joke.

All while the MD girls are relaxing and enjoying at least part of their summer. I hear Indiana is beautiful this time of year though. But it will look good on the YJ website if they win.

Plus, MD girls can't go. This is a true age based tourney (U15), not grad year based. Those MD teams would be a mess with all of the roster adjustments they'd have to make to qualify under these age rules. You'd have 2020's and 2021's playing in the U15 bracket. They don't want that.

Of course this is the response. Even though it is not based in truth at all. Girls don't holdback like boys. And the tournament has a 9/1 cutoff date which is the same as MD schools. The simple fact is that the US Nationals are a complete waste of money. [lacrosse] poor competition with very little college coach exposure. The MD clubs don't find the need to force parents to pay the money and take the extra time out of summer to go to Indiana to play a bunch of B/C teams. We spend all spring/summer playing top competition.

Age has nothing to do with it. You keep buying what CR is selling. That's why your clubs cost over $3000 and ours cost less than $2000

No way 2nd

Of course this is the response. Even though it is not based in truth at all. Girls don't holdback like boys. And the tournament has a 9/1 cutoff date which is the same as MD schools. The simple fact is that the US Nationals are a complete waste of money. [lacrosse] poor competition with very little college coach exposure. The MD clubs don't find the need to force parents to pay the money and take the extra time out of summer to go to Indiana to play a bunch of B/C teams. We spend all spring/summer playing top competition.

Age has nothing to do with it. You keep buying what CR is selling. That's why your clubs cost over $3000 and ours cost less than $2000

Yawn, typical MD response. Oh yea, the boys holdback but the girls don't? "The boys holdback but the girls don't"; "The boys holdback but the girls don't"; "The boys holdback but the girls don't". Boy, they beat that response into your heads down there. What's good for one is always good for the other in any organization. The world has been like that forever, except in Maryland girls lacrosse of course. They break the mold. OK.

This is funny. LI thinks the only reason they get beat up on by MD teams is hold backs? Sooooo pathetic. Wah wah. My girl is the best on the island but gets stuffed every time in MD. That's ok because they are older. Loser!

All while the MD girls are relaxing and enjoying at least part of their summer. I hear Indiana is beautiful this time of year though. But it will look good on the YJ website if they win.

Must be missing something. Out of the MD and DC Under Armour teams, only one player with a mid August birthday, that could marginally be classified as a holdback? The rest are all Sept 2000 or later birthdays? Frankly if any of my daughters had a mid to late August birthday I'd consider placing them in a grade where they would be one of the oldest, not the youngest. So where are all these hold backs everyone keeps talking about? BTW, no dog in the fight. Not from LI or MD/DC.

Just Curious then please explain all the hold acks on your MD and DC under armour teams . Are they from somewhere else ? Also which YJ team is it that needs to make excuses after losing to MD teams so much ?

If your kid does not enjoy playing lax and hanging out w her teamates then why do you force her to play at all.

Come on, I am a L.I. parent and the Y.J. do make excuses, just look back in any age group or your own thread. In late June it was that you had players in the N.Y. state tournament, then the holdback excuse. But lets be totally honest about the Md. people also, though I do not believe that the girls are being held back at any great rate, they are being drawn from an entire state, as opposed to L.I. and its 2 counties. Now I know that the M.D. parents will say the pull from only a a few mid Md. counties, but those counties include 2 major cities, Baltimore and Washington D.C. so the pool of players is much greater in M.D. the here on the island. T make it really equal we would need to pull from westchester and rockland to get the same number of perspective players. Before any Md. parents start claiming that we get players from NYC, we don't, lax is very small in the city unlike in Baltimore or Washington, as far as I know there are no city players on any L.I. team and no NYC clubs at all.

Just Curious then please explain all the hold acks on your MD and DC under armour teams . Are they from somewhere else ? Also which YJ team is it that needs to make excuses after losing to MD teams so much ?

Come on, I am a L.I. parent and the Y.J. do make excuses, just look back in any age group or your own thread. In late June it was that you had players in the N.Y. state tournament, then the holdback excuse. But lets be totally honest about the Md. people also, though I do not believe that the girls are being held back at any great rate, they are being drawn from an entire state, as opposed to L.I. and its 2 counties. Now I know that the M.D. parents will say the pull from only a a few mid Md. counties, but those counties include 2 major cities, Baltimore and Washington D.C. so the pool of players is much greater in M.D. the here on the island. T make it really equal we would need to pull from westchester and rockland to get the same number of perspective players. Before any Md. parents start claiming that we get players from NYC, we don't, lax is very small in the city unlike in Baltimore or Washington, as far as I know there are no city players on any L.I. team and no NYC clubs at all.

MD parent here. I agree with a little, but I will do my best to dispel a misconception you guys may have. For the most part, there are no girls from Baltimore or Washington DC who play any significant lacrosse. True, there are quite a few private schools in Baltimore County (outside the city), but all those girls on all those teams are from the surrounding counties (Howard, Anne Arundel, etc...). They are not from Baltimore proper. Same for Washington DC. A few private schools that play some decent lacrosse, but none of the girls who play are from DC. There are only a few good teams in Northern Virginia that even play lax. My guess is that there are more girls in the LI counties who play lax than there are in the MD counties that play. You guys have a larger pool of quality players to choose from. Just my two cents.

YJ Gold beat TG Purple in the round of 16, 9-6. Looks like YJ Blue and TG Black will be meeting in the Semi's tomorrow.

YJ Gold beat TG Purple in the round of 16, 9-6. Looks like YJ Blue and TG Black will be meeting in the Semi's tomorrow.

just did some quick math
Nassau & Suffolk Counties combined is 2.8 million total pop.

The 4 Md. counties (Carroll, Montgomery, Baltimore, Howard) 2.3 million

I find it hard to believe that the Md. clubs are not pulling from Anne Arundel (Annapolis), Harford (bel Air) or Queen Anns (centerville) if added in Md pulling from 3.16 million

Pretty close in numbers though. But remember , just by geographical location L.I. does not pull from any other source because the city pretty much isolates it from every other place on earth, ( if you ever tried to get through it you know what I mean), where kids from the Northern Virginia and other Md. counties could make the drive, and I am sure they do

just did some quick math
Nassau & Suffolk Counties combined is 2.8 million total pop.

The 4 Md. counties (Carroll, Montgomery, Baltimore, Howard) 2.3 million

I find it hard to believe that the Md. clubs are not pulling from Anne Arundel (Annapolis), Harford (bel Air) or Queen Anns (centerville) if added in Md pulling from 3.16 million

Pretty close in numbers though. But remember , just by geographical location L.I. does not pull from any other source because the city pretty much isolates it from every other place on earth, ( if you ever tried to get through it you know what I mean), where kids from the Northern Virginia and other Md. counties could make the drive, and I am sure they do

Very interesting. Here's some more info about the MD counties...most of the players come from Anne Arundel and Howard. Then, the rest...Carroll, Harford...step down to (maybe) Montgomery, Quenn Annes...way down to Baltimore. There just isn't much decent lax played, across the board, in counties other than Anne Arundel and Howard. All you have to do is look at the last 3A/4A public school state champions for the last 10-15 years. I use public schools as my measuring stick because they have to take the kids that are in the district. Tne privates down here can draw from any where...MD, DC and even a few from Northern Virginia. My guess is that the club with the most "reach" is M&D (Maryland & DC). TLC gets a lot of kids from north of Baltimore. CC Lax, Integrity, Md United draw almost exclusively from Anne Arundel. SkyWalkers and Heroes draw mostly from Montgomery and Howard. Capital draws from all of Northern Virginia. There is very little migration to far away club teams down here.

You're an idiot. Most of the top Baltimore County girls go to private schools. Just because Baltimore County publics don't dominate public school lacrosse means nothing.

Liberty undefeated after 2 days of play, 2ns seed.
Beat YJ MITCHEL/gold today to advance to semi game.

Yep, I agree. Plus, private schools make it easier. Repeat kindergarten, then repeat 4th and that's how you get a 5'7" girl playing with the 2022s.

U15 finals YJ versus Liberty. YJ beat TG and Liberty beat Integrity to advance to finals.

Come on, I am a L.I. parent and the Y.J. do make excuses, just look back in any age group or your own thread. In late June it was that you had players in the N.Y. state tournament, then the holdback excuse. But lets be totally honest about the Md. people also, though I do not believe that the girls are being held back at any great rate, they are being drawn from an entire state, as opposed to L.I. and its 2 counties. Now I know that the M.D. parents will say the pull from only a a few mid Md. counties, but those counties include 2 major cities, Baltimore and Washington D.C. so the pool of players is much greater in M.D. the here on the island. T make it really equal we would need to pull from westchester and rockland to get the same number of perspective players. Before any Md. parents start claiming that we get players from NYC, we don't, lax is very small in the city unlike in Baltimore or Washington, as far as I know there are no city players on any L.I. team and no NYC clubs at all.

just did some quick math
Nassau & Suffolk Counties combined is 2.8 million total pop.

The 4 Md. counties (Carroll, Montgomery, Baltimore, Howard) 2.3 million

I find it hard to believe that the Md. clubs are not pulling from Anne Arundel (Annapolis), Harford (bel Air) or Queen Anns (centerville) if added in Md pulling from 3.16 million

Pretty close in numbers though. But remember , just by geographical location L.I. does not pull from any other source because the city pretty much isolates it from every other place on earth, ( if you ever tried to get through it you know what I mean), where kids from the Northern Virginia and other Md. counties could make the drive, and I am sure they do

You're an idiot. Most of the top Baltimore County girls go to private schools. Just because Baltimore County publics don't dominate public school lacrosse means nothing.

Okay - that's where all the hold backs are.
LI'ers - please do not group all of Maryland as the hold back state - it is mostly Baltimore County since that is where the private schools are. In the AA and HoCo counties - the schools have a very firm age cut-off. And I'm assuming that Montgomery and Carroll do to. Baltimore County is probably a moot point since all the girls attend private schools and Hereford and Dulany were just mirages...