BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Girls 2019-9th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016

Think about that for a minute.......... The Hofstra women's coach runs a summer tournament, asking all these teams to come play, at the same time the TG director is sending her best teams/players out of town for the U15's. Would you be upset if you sent your club teams to drive up from MD to find uncompetitive games because many of the better teams are out of town?

Heros going to U15?

Do any of the top Maryland teams go to the U15?

It would be too much effort. If the established graduating class teams were to go, too many players would be over the age limit, to put in an existing team they would have to reach down a graduating class and thus have a harder time competing. They could just have try outs and slap together the correct aged girls but then you lose all chemistry and hierarchy of team structure. It's a tough spot to be in, but would love for them to figure it out and represent themselves somehow.

U15 is a waste of time. Could have a local tournament w top md teams for national championship recognition if that's what parents cared about here.

I understand that, but wouldn't the md teams want to shut everybody up once and for all?

That's basically what happens during the un sanctioned summer tournaments, and the Maryland teams represent very well. But these tournaments use the US lacrosse rules very loosely ( including the age restrictions) because USLax has no teeth. The new age cutoff dates by US Lax are supposed to be adopted by all the summer tournaments running under the USL banner which includes the insurance for these tournaments. But they likely never will. I do notice over the many years how most tournaments rise and fall in and out of favor, but the U 13, U14, and U15's is the National governing body's Championship, and will remain. You can shy away from it all you want, but the club dominating it, likely would either way.

TG and YJ summer tourneys on LI are nothing more than fund raisers for the clubs - absolutely no competitive games, most are TG vs TG and YJ vs YJ, why would anyone come from out of town for that?

Didn't Carro lose by a goal to Heros at G8?

That's no match?

Why rest who cares? I think you are in for a surprise or two ... See you this summer ... btw, bring your daughters' birth certificates and we will bring ours, so when our girls beat yours w a 100pct on age team it will be even more embarrassing for you.

When losses mount, pull out the old age excuse. Be glad to show birth certificates but not to someone trying to make excuses for their child's team. No girls in md doing this but glad it makes you feel better!!

No girls in MD doing this? pre-first is a almost a requirement there for the privates. Come on man.

Last year at U15, Skywalkers 18 took 4th, losing to a year younger team. How is that possible? Rumor had it they didnt have all their big guns.

Because the committed girls didn't go. Waste of time.

Did i miss when Heros 2019 beat M&D or YJ Blue in anything in the last couple years?

You're completely off base here. Pre-first is much more prevalent with the boys than the girls due to slower development. It is very rare when girls go to pre-first. All the boys schools have prefirst while the girls schools don't.

Ok. So will you guys be following the US lax age-based divisions going forward?

What is McDonough? The #1 girl's program in the country right? They have pre-first, don't they? I'll answer for you ... YES

Know plenty of girls that have switched to private and repeated 8th grade too.

Then just answer this question: How many girls on your daughter's club team would not conform to the new age-based cutoffs? For 2019's that is birthdays between 9/01/2000-8/31/2001. You will say you don't know, but I promise you there are more than a couple. For our team there is exactly 1. She stayed back and repeated 8th grade when she transferred to private. M&D -- want to venture a guess? I would bet at least a third of the roster, and likely some of the "best" players.

You're right. McDonogh does have prefirst. That's my point. That is the only school that has prefirst for girls. For Boys, BL and Gilman and St. Pauls does as well.

There is not a single girl on M&D 2021 that went to prefirst. I can't speak for the 2019 team.

And the person that said they know plenty of girls that have repeated 8th grade is full of it. That is just not a common practice with girls. Not a single girl on M&D 2020 was a 2019 last year and not a single girl on M&D 2020 will be on M&D 2021 next year.

Someone has been feeding you all bad information. For boys you would be absolutely correct. For girls, you're just making excuses.

If it were happening on the girls side, which its not. What do you say in high school and college when a girl is not 3 months older than your daughter but 3 years. Do you still complain and moan?

big difference during the growth years when recruiting has pushed down into those years. By college it is not an issue. But with 12 & 13 year olds it absolutely is. Why do you think people do it??

Why don't you guys put a U15 team into the US Lacrosse tournament?

Because we spend the summer playing in 5 tournaments full of top teams. Why go to Indiana to play a bunch of crappy teams? Not like we don't get to play YJ enough without going out there. There are no college coaches there so what's the point? I'm sure Indiana is beautiful in July, but I'll pass.

It's a 2019 thread. Why don't we hear about the 2019s then. Pretty sure there are several "older" girls on that squad.

Fair enough. 5 years from now, this is going to be somewhat moot anyway, as California will begin to dominate both MD and LI.

Are you saying that there are zero "older" girls on LI? You know that is not the case so I hope not.

Because we play the top teams in the country all year round. No need to play a team from Colorado to say we are the best. U15 etc is worthless.

Are you saying that there are zero "older" girls on LI? You know that is not the case so I hope not.[/quote]

Not saying that. Both LI and MD have many older girls. Silly really. But it will all even out in the end. Other regions have far fewer girls that play down an age group. US Lax is doing the right thing w the age divisions. Too bad there doesn't seem to be any enforcement mechanism for them.

Agree U15 championship is a waste of time/money. Many of the best teams don;t even attend. G8, Capital Cup, etc. a much better use of time and money.

Same could be said for the junior and senior national teams about time, money, coaches. Etc......Yet every girl who plays lax aspires to be on those teams, honored by the same organization who crown the national championship of each age group. Been to any and all tournaments mentioned as better, and have won at all of them. Yes some offer better competition, but none of them are more fun and thrilling for the girls, not even close.

How did the worst YJ top team do this weekend?

Which is the "Worst" team?

All I know is, Elevate 2019 went into MD this weekend and took down some of the top teams in a big way to win the summer classic. This Elevate team is one of the top teams in the country. We beat every team by at least 8 goals. Good defense, potent offense and good goaltending. When we joined Elevate Dave said that this was one of the top teams in the country. I think he is wrong. I think this is THE top team in this age group. Next week we are off to New England to take down the top teams up north. I have a feeling this team may not lose a game this summer!

Hahaha

Elevate was in the Mid Atlantic Spring Championships at McD this weekend???

Of course not. They were up the road with all the C teams at Summer Classic

Is this for real?

That's a question I have too. On the Elevate forum someone claimed they went to MD and beat up on the MD teams, but the only tournament I'm aware of in MD this past weekend was the Mid-Atlantic. I don't see them listed on the schedule.

They are coming up north to play and will absolutely, 100pct guarantee will lose a game. I will report back for you. Promise they will not win all their games.