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Clubs will always push hard. That is their purpose in exchange for the prices they charge. If coaches recruited the best rising seniors versus the best rising freshmen, do you believe those are the same players? Kids in MD / DC who were the early recruits are already showing to be a less than 25% success. Many struggle to stand out on their high school teams.

UMD has had success. But Hop, UVA and UNC are not the "usual suspects" in the FF over the last 5 years since ER really took off. To the extent these programs have been reloading, what we have seen is they continue to go backwards. UVA would have lost to Tufts this year. UNC did get bombed in a scrimmage against Limestone. I know scrimmages don't / can't count because D3 teams can't schedule D1 teams for regular season games, but the result that day is what it is. I think if Petro started with a blank sheet for 2017s right now, he'd come back with a much better class than the ones he has on the way. Consider how badly Hop has struggled to find a good goalie since Bassett. Consider that UVA has lacked an elite attackman since Steele. Consider that neither UVA or Hop has been able to piece together a legit consistent contributing 2nd middie line for a few years. Petro is known as the best defensive coach in the game, but Hop hasn't had a top defense in years. The biggest believers in ER are those with skin in the game on the demand side...club guys and proud parents.

The coaches can't wait because the parents and kids won't wait? So the parents and the kids control the supply side as well as the demand side?

The NCAA coaches look pathetic. And then beyond pathetic to ask the NCAA to play daddy when they can't but help themselves refrain. The most encouraging sign to me now us 3 things. 1. UVA sucks. 2. Hop sucks 3. UNC sucks. Let's see how well the early recruiting gurus do staying employed. The first one should be straight outa Charlottesville any time now.

UVA is a train wreck I agree, however I firmly believe that is a coaching issue not an ER issue. Hop and UNC will most likely be in the NCAA tourney so that story isnt written yet. UNC and Hop have disappointed for the most part save Hops final four appearance last year. Petro isnt going anywhere and I dont think UNC cares enough about lacrosse to boot Breschi although he clearly deserves it if they miss another final four. Duke, ND, Maryland and Denver are all ER players and I dont see any of their coaches going anywhere either. Unless something is done on the administrative side nothing will change and even if it does I dont see the landscape of college lacrosse changing all that much. The top programs will still get the top kids, theyll just get them later on in the process. It will hurt the clubs bottom line and the money grab showcase scene which is definitely not a bad thing.

You're missing the point! If Hop, UNC and UVA were in fact getting the "best" kids, they should be able to win. Rutgers beating Hop twice in the same year is proof positive. Supposedly, Hop has had the best recruiting classes year in and year out. Only ten kids on the field at one time. If in fact they are getting the "best" kids they should be able to beat Rutgers with their 3 string? No? Of course not. Because they are NOT getting the best kids. What more proof do you need? The best 9th graders are not the best college sophomores and juniors, that's a fact. Further, the over rated 20 year old college freshman that Hop has been recruiting are also not panning out either. If they were, they would be killing teams like Rutgers with their back ups. Clearly, kids who've played down from 8-12th grade cannot compete against older tougher, better competition when they get to college. Combine these two issues, with growth of the game and this is the result. Buckle in, it's going to continue at an exponentially rapid pace. Anyone notice MU knocking off Denver? The parity genie is out of the bottle and the biggest losers in this whole deal are the biggest supporters of ER and Hold back recruitment. I for one think it's great for the game.

I agree parity is here to stay. Marquette over DU, Hartford knocks off Albany. Marquettes success has everything to do with coaching, that guy has done a phenomenal job in such a short time. Again, I think parity is here to stay but I am not convinced ER has anything to do with the success or failures of some of the big teams.

Maybe Marquette recruited the right players. Not a whole lot of UA AA's or other blather on their roster, just w whole lot of Team Captains and All County players. Look like a team of leaders and solid, not spectacular players.

Maybe Marquette recruited the right players. Not a whole lot of UA AA's or other blather on their roster, just w whole lot of Team Captains and All County players. Look like a team of leaders and solid, not spectacular players.

They also recruited much later, they had to. They've only been a program for 4 years. So it seems they may have taken kids that the ole guard teams passed on in 9th and 10th grade. ER is definitely one of the reasons these teams are not as dominate as they once were. Some of the recruits are simply just not panning out. You just can't argue that.

Binghamton can be up there in the America East as you can see anything can happen. They need a coach that not only knows his Xs and Os but someone who they can look up to and respect both on and off the field. When the team wants to win for each other AND the coach magic can happen. That wasn't the case previously.

How secure is stony brook coach four straight years no NCAA tournament especially this year, Team full of seniors.

Great point. America East is in disarray right now. Vermont coach stepped down, Binghamton coach fired and Stony Brook coach just isnt getting the job done. Albany and Hartford seem to be in good shape as far as coaching and young talent.

Maybe JS can take another job!

Great point. America East is in disarray right now. Vermont coach stepped down, Binghamton coach fired and Stony Brook coach just isnt getting the job done. Albany and Hartford seem to be in good shape as far as coaching and young talent.

Let's all wave good bye to UVA, Duke, Hop and very shortly UNC. You heard it here, earlier in the year. You had folks saying "they'll all be in the final four". Truth be told, Hop didn't even belong in the tournament, they are simply a .500 lacrosse team. The biggest offenders of recruiting holdbacks and double holds as well as 14 year olds are all on the tournament scrap heap. UNC with all it's "top" recruits (not) could barley get by a team that's only been around for 4 years. Don't know for sure, but I'm sure MU didn't have any Inside Lacrosse ranked or Ty X ranked kids on the team. Yet somehow they nearly knocked off a team loaded with kids who were committed to UNC before MU even had a D1 program!!! A total and utter affirmation of the ill's of ER recruiting and Holdbacks. These kids are not panning out for the most part, true some are, but most aren't. The best 8th graders are not the best college players, now a fact. Kids who excel at playing down one two to years cannot compete at the next level. Proven fact. Not sure why these coaches continue to recruit from this pool, its just not working out for the most part. Quite frankly, I'm loving it. Only wish MU got rid of UNC, pretty sure that happens next week. It's great for the sport! Go, Brown, Loyola, Towson and Yale!

Let's all wave good bye to UVA, Duke, Hop and very shortly UNC. You heard it here, earlier in the year. You had folks saying "they'll all be in the final four". Truth be told, Hop didn't even belong in the tournament, they are simply a .500 lacrosse team. The biggest offenders of recruiting holdbacks and double holds as well as 14 year olds are all on the tournament scrap heap. UNC with all it's "top" recruits (not) could barley get by a team that's only been around for 4 years. Don't know for sure, but I'm sure MU didn't have any Inside Lacrosse ranked or Ty X ranked kids on the team. Yet somehow they nearly knocked off a team loaded with kids who were committed to UNC before MU even had a D1 program!!! A total and utter affirmation of the ill's of ER recruiting and Holdbacks. These kids are not panning out for the most part, true some are, but most aren't. The best 8th graders are not the best college players, now a fact. Kids who excel at playing down one two to years cannot compete at the next level. Proven fact. Not sure why these coaches continue to recruit from this pool, its just not working out for the most part. Quite frankly, I'm loving it. Only wish MU got rid of UNC, pretty sure that happens next week. It's great for the sport! Go, Brown, Loyola, Towson and Yale!

You think the teams the ER aren't left? Just silly.

You think the teams the ER aren't left? Just silly.

Silly??? The only ER left is MD, they haven't won anything in decades... 3 or 4 of their top players are transfers. Most all of the other teams have been much later recruiters until very recently.

Silly.

Don't worry, MD goes back on the scrap heap next week. Cuse takes care of business and Tillman chokes again. BTW Cuse just started recruiting early this year. What do Brown, Towson, Loyola, Navy all have in common, much later recruiters. Silly isn't it?
Next week MD and UNC join the others who got all those "top" recruits... Too funny. I love how Hop just gets blown out and the talking heads try to blame it on injuries... They should be killing Brown with their 3rd stringers. They were all "top recruits" lol.