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. To the poster who posted the same thing 9 times, you are clearly a Crab dad. Crabs is way older than every other elite 2020 team. You know 10 or so holdbacks. Crabs looked just as sloppy as some of the others the entire game, they never really got it all together. It's just the are much older/bigger than Next Level. They are going to get beat this spring in the HOCO league.

That's just a Crabs parent repeating the party line..."what...who...us? We didn't break any rules." Nobody's buying it.

Of course they put the hours in...most of them have been playing 1-2 extra years!

It's the same 2 cry baby dads whining incessantly about Crabs on here. Most people don't care as our kids all played in 2 year age spreads through most of their youth. Most of the kids are not 15 years old on the 2020 team. That's just not a true statement. Most are 14.

Hawks and Loonies don't have the speed and athleticism vs. and entire Crabs team of holdbacks. Most are 14 turning 15 soon and some 15 who are turning 16. 16 as a freshman? Hilarious. What a joke.

You almost had us wanting to read your whole paragraph and then your last line...but you are right. If only 10 of your 24 players belong in the 9th grade, than the other 14 are the small majority. Pathetic either way you look at it. Now let's average in the two double hold backs and that makes the equation more pathetic. Keep trying to deflect, We ALL know what Crabs is about and it is even more sad you brag about beating teams 1-2 years younger. SMH

Well maybe it is because the other teams are all real 13 & 14 year olds boys doing what that age group does - drops balls at times. Same thing could be said about the dropped balls in college play. The point is the other teams are the right age and compete against teams their own age. Just like a varsity team of similari caliber players would be expected to look better than the jv. The jv may be great for their age but the varsity has more physical maturation and playing time. Any idiot can figure that out and you just furthered the points the non holdback parents and teams are making. Ask your HOCO management buddy who Held their own child back for your championship trophy now and then leave and let the rest of the teams move on and play with teams their own age.

Next Level does not belong in elite, no question. Crabs completely dominated the game on every turn. I don't see any of the teams in that league putting up much of a fight against them this season.

I say you all boycott the league next year. Why let one team do whatever they want, even if their players are in the right grade? Make them change the rules.

They can't boycott the league because all their teams have holdbacks too. They just don't have as many which gets their panties in a bunch. Apparently it's ok to have 2,3 or 4 holdbacks. That's not "gaming the system". It's only cheating if you have 10 or more. The line of demarcation had been set and the Crabs are thumbing their noses at the agreed upon 4 holdback max rule. Cheaters.

Let's be clear...cheating is bringing down 4 2019's in a tournament who's rules state -

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

- and then sending them back to 2019 the next week. That is cheating and the Crabs own that label exclusively and forever.

As far as holdbacks, yes, other teams do have summer birthdays, kids who would be the youngest in their group if they had started school earlier. Crabs have kids who would still be among the oldest in their group even at 2019. Show of hands - how many Crabs 2020s have their learners permits? There's a few

Most of these teams do not have multiple kids who have repeated 7th or 8th grade (or both) and I have not seen another team that pursues, promotes, and encourages holdbacks as a strategy.

The Crabs have just taken it way too far. It's kind of like cosmetic surgery, a little makes you look better, too much makes you look weird, comical...and sad.

Denver, never forget!

Not every team has 3-4 holdbacks so stop trying to make excuses. Most parents would be okay w going aged based. Crabs would not.

Age based coming in 2017. Gig is up for fat crab daddy

Aren't all these these boys going to be playing older and bigger boys once they enter high school next year?

Who was the HOCO management buddy?

Classic Crab counter argument, as if they are doing us a favor...

1. Much bigger difference between 13 and 15 than 16 and 18 (or 19 if you are a holdback)

2. Presumably, all teams will have a similar mix of 14-18 year olds, which does level the playing field somewhat.

A level playing field is all people want, not part of the Crabs makeup though.

Bring on age based. We will still dominate.

These dads who keep crying about holdbacks need to get a life. If this league (or any league or tournament) goes age based, Crabs will be fine. They dominated the NPYLL before it went grade based, so they will be fine no matter what.

It's funny how it's the same 2 guys over and over. Get a life.

Sorry Crab dad, you are dreaming again. Without holdbacks, Crabs will be just an average team at best. Ryan M has no idea how to create good/strong teams without holdbacks.

Bring it on. You might want to start working on how you will accuse Crabs of cheating in an age based system. Probably something ridiculous like Crabs poached a bunch of kids from other teams and that's so unethical, blah, blah, blah...

To tell you the truth I think it is more than 2 guys as you suggested. There are more than 2 who do not like Crabs.

You barely get by Looneys with your holdbacks, you tied Hawks and breakers (team 91 md) with your holdbacks last summer and you lost Big Time to Crush without holdbacks You would be just another good team competing with on age players the way real talent does. Nothing special now and nothing special without the holdbacks. Agree with poster above, get your buddy at HoCO with the holdback that supports you to just give you a trophy, you can update your website that you are champions and leave. When you win it means nothing and we all just laugh at you.

*is not was. Do your research - look up names, private school attended and years playing/played on a club team. Common knowledge and why all knew the holdbacks would never be discouragd by the County. The whole landscape is political and corrupt.

You're right. Crabs went grade based two years ago. They were just a horrible club prior to the switch.

Crabs dominate without holdbacks. LOL. They barely hold their own WITH holdbacks. Try again.

When is hoco going to follow their own rules?

As long as HOCO has the management employee involved with the league, never. This person is too tight with the Crabs organization. It is well known and someone needs to call this person out.

How are you tying the grade based segmentation of the league to Crabs? It has been grade since the start and no Crabs teams were part of the league. RM was running a competing league until it fell apart this yr.

Pretty soon we are going to be discussing a possible second shooter near the grassy knoll.....please get a life.

No. Crabs was involved in HOCO first year, then they formed NPYLL, which as you said folded this year and Crabs is back to HOCO.

Good grief, is that the best you have??? You need to do two things, get your facts straight and you really need to get a life as is seems the one you have now is weak.

Not sure when NYPLL started but it was surely around in 2010 as my oldest played in it as U11. My other one played in the 1st season of Hoco (2013) as a 5th grade 2020 and there were no Crabs as they had only u13 and u15 playing in NYPLL. The next year 2014 they started 2020 & 2021 teams which did play hoco. Last year NYPLL was grade so all Crabs were in NYPLL

There was a Crabs team in the league the first year.

I'm not sure either when NYPLL started but I believe you are correct, Crabs 2020 played in HOCO league, and I also think it was 2014.

Please post HOCO 2020 Elite scores if you know them.

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 v Sons
FCA v Next Level
Hawks v Sons

Did looneys bring in the fogo from Florida?

No

Crabs 2020 lost to Rough Riders in semis during 6th grade HOCO season. Loonies won HOCO 6th grade, FCA won 7th grade, and Crabs should win easy this year.

Crabs 12 Looneys 7
91 8 v Sons 7 in triple OT
FCA v Next Level (play at 6pm)
Hawks v Sons.

Sons beat 91 in double OT
Hawks beat Sons by a lot