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You can all say what you want but Princeton will honor 90 percent of the previous coaches verbals , you may have a few kids use it as an excuse to opt out . My son plays at a Princeton and when he went thru the recruiting process the AD was slightly involved but was made aware at the end of each parties "commitment" and I was told that the school would honor the agreement weather that particular coach was there or not . Yes there are some academic mile stones that your kid needs to meet but they are significantly lower than the average Princeton student and quite honestly if you struggle to meet those standards you do not belong there.

Lots of Talk about Princeton. Who is the new coach? Anybody heard any 3rd had rumor

I think they named an assit. as acting head coach. They will probably wait until NCAA tournament is done to interview top assistants from a top 15 team or a head coach from a rising program. They may just keep the acting guy.

I'd expect several more firings and job openings. My question is who are all the new qualified coaches to take these jobs? The assistants who have been the early recruiting bozos? Club guys who have been throwing out lousy / unsightly fundamentals club ball for college placement services? I'm getting really concerned that the college sport will be dominated by only a small few programs run by guys who are actually great coaches, then a huge garbage pile after that.

I've been around this sport for almost all of my 53 years and this was the first year where I went to D3 games and saw teams that could compete with or bear D1 teams. Many of coaches are obviously unable to develop talent. I question now whether or not Starsia and Petro ever did know how or if they just appeared smarter years ago when they could out talent other programs and roll a ball out. These programs are obviously recruiting poorly too. One of the things that struck me watching UVA this year was their body language leaving the field after a game. 45 individuals. And talent wise more than 30 of them didn't belong in that uniform anyways. Hopkins is now a program ever 5-6 kids quit every fall. What kid spends his whole youth chasing this and quits at the end of fall ball? Hopkins has some serious character issues in their program. Petro is a great guy but don't sell me that he recruits well and coaches to the talent. He's gotten a few more stars like the Stanwicks and Tinney,, but then again Starsia has been about as lucky there too over the last several years. It's getting to a point where I don't see how a kid dreams of being a Hoo or a Blue Jay anymore.

Wow, really? Do yourself a favor, go to a high school recruiting tournament this summer and stand in the parking lot and take a poll of the kids coming out. I guarantee you 99 out of 100 of them would trade one of their siblings for a shot to play at either UVA or Hopkins. Yes their programs might be down, but they are both historic programs and excellent academic institutions. Hopkins has a tendency to over recruit which explains why kids will quit or transfer but dont fool yourself, its still Hopkins and kids would kill for a shot to play there. UVA is a disaster right now and I firmly believe they need a coaching change. However, to say that kids dont wanna go there is silly, its still UVA.

First, I'd like to say the UVA just looks and feels like a college should and all they need to do is get a kid on Campus with his parents and I suspect they sign up (and no, I did not attend but have been there enough). Hopkins? (lovely Baltimore)? Not so much, so Petro has a tougher sell than many others. Going forward, it is going to be even tougher for him, you can bet on that.

But don't bet against seeing the Hop Memorial Day weekend. They are not good enough this year, but stranger things have happened.

Baltimore, the city, might not be as picturesque as UVA, but a degree from Hopkins is prestigious. Some people actually care about the degree, you know?

If you can get into Hopkins, then you probably have lots of choices. Is it a prestigious, of course, but we are talking about elite lax players who are ER, are we not? And Baltimore is a handicap.

Hey now. There might be some significant social issues, but Baltimore is a cool city -- rich in history, art, and music. Get beyond the superficial and dig a little. It's a quirky town. An artsy, foodie, cool place. Don't diss my hometown, man! Lots of great people in Baltimore.

You people are all out of your mind if you think Hopkins or UVA have any trouble getting the recruits they wants. Both of them can draw from the hotbeds as well as out west and Canada. If Petro calls you and your a high school soph or Jr, youre saying no? Not a shot in [lacrosse]. As for Baltimore, yes there are some pretty shady spots but they also have Inner Harbor, Fells Point, Federal Hill, etc. Not sure if you noticed but NYC has some really shady spots as well and last time I looked Hofstra wasnt in the greatest neighborhood either. In regards to UVA, your talking about a beautiful campus, a great academic institution, a pretty sizable and powerful alumni and a storied lacrosse program. So who wouldnt go there and why???? If your talking about deciding between and IVY and UVA you have an argument, otherwise its a no brainer.

I think you've gotten off track a bit. The discussion is about ER, not about whether or not a 16 year old, two or three time ninth grader will accept an offer. Clearly, the reason these two schools are in the predicament they are, is precisely because they are making offers to 16 yo ninth graders that are accepting those offers. They are not getting the best kids... That is why they can't win. 10 years ago Hop would have beat Rutgers with their 3rd lines. 16 year olds playing against 14 year olds in tournament look like superstars. When the arrive on campus at age 20 they now have to play up. Most will not be able to do it. Remember, if they really were that good, they would have been playing up at 16, not 2 years down. The biggest offenders are all suffering the same fate. UVA, Hop, UNC. Its only going to get worse for them, they have recruited the same type of players in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019. It's great for the other programs, and great for D3. Parity is here to stay, and it will only continue.

Hey now. There might be some significant social issues, but Baltimore is a cool city -- rich in history, art, and music. Get beyond the superficial and dig a little. It's a quirky town. An artsy, foodie, cool place. Don't diss my hometown, man! Lots of great people in Baltimore.

You people are all out of your mind if you think Hopkins or UVA have any trouble getting the recruits they wants. Both of them can draw from the hotbeds as well as out west and Canada. If Petro calls you and your a high school soph or Jr, youre saying no? Not a shot in [lacrosse]. As for Baltimore, yes there are some pretty shady spots but they also have Inner Harbor, Fells Point, Federal Hill, etc. Not sure if you noticed but NYC has some really shady spots as well and last time I looked Hofstra wasnt in the greatest neighborhood either. In regards to UVA, your talking about a beautiful campus, a great academic institution, a pretty sizable and powerful alumni and a storied lacrosse program. So who wouldnt go there and why???? If your talking about deciding between and IVY and UVA you have an argument, otherwise its a no brainer.

And they have great riots! Amazing police and great political leaders.

Seriously, Baltimore might be great under the surface, but I think that my 18 year old from the suburbs might find a bunch of lacrosse powers more appealing. Petro is handicapped by the surroundings. So is Yale, if that makes you happy.

If Petro called - I'd still look elsewhere. Hopkins location, facilities, campus, etc. is a major issue. They are not the only game in town anymore. Sorry - old news.

Virginia AD pretty much indicated the end for Starsia today. If your son is a UVA early commit you'd better hope the new guy loves you in the morning.

Again, sorry but if youre in any way insinuating that someone actually might think twice about going to Yale because of its location you are absolutely out of your mind. It could be on the surface of the moon and people would gouge each others eyes out to have the opportunity to go there. As for Hop and being in a shady neighborhood, let me ask you, do you think Duke has a problem recruiting? Have you ever seen the area surrounding Duke? Not desirable by any stretch. How about UPenn? There are many schools that are situated in bad neighborhoods, but I really dont think its that big of a factor when kids are deciding where to go to school

As a former UVA student athlete, here is what I wonder about...George Hugely was a bum and a violent drunk for 4 years in that program. The twins, same thing. Nothing but trouble and more trouble. Back in the day in my team and other teams at UVA the teams and guys took care of each other and their team. If there was a cancer on the team the team members and captains would make sure the coaches knew. Nobody wants it. Starsia knew Huguely and the twins were bad seeds the whole way and he did nothing.

I don't want to hear it that he won this many games and championships. None of that matters when you don't do things the right way and you look away when you have kids committing crimes on your team. 2010 wasn't an isolated incident. It was by far the worst and most horrible think imagined, but it was also the outcome of a pattern which was tolerated for years and was a part of the UVA lacrosse culture for decades. Don't late the door hit you on the [lacrosse] on your way out, coach.

That's a powerful post. And makes me think a little bit about how he decries ER and then offers a rising 9th grader in early July.

It will be VERY interesting to see whether the new UVA coach is an ER guy or not. As someone whose kid would be in-state, I hope not.

Kills me to write this, but Frank Beamer at VaTech always said the first pillar of any great college program is recruiting the state. Your program is always better when you respect that fact that if there are in-state kids you could recruit, you want to always keep a wicked bias toward them. Those are the kids who grew up rooting for the Hoos and would appreciate wearing the jersey and give more of themselves. My UVA teams in another sport always had a few walk-ons from the Quantico base. O'Connor is the baseball coach and he believes in this too. Tough and straight military brats who were tough s.o.b.'s. I went to a UVA lacrosse game this spring and that was obviously a group of 45 individuals. That would never happen if you had glue guys, character guys, guys who only want to be a part of UVA success. Blow that sh$t up and start over. Doesn't mean a thing they are loaded with IL ranked recruits and UA All-Americans. That means nothing. Starsia doesn't get it, he always thought he could out talent everybody with LI and Baltimore kids and look at them now. Next guy needs to be someone who cares about the state. Can't be any other way.

All Binghamton (no p) needed is a fresh h coach. School is behind Athletics while it prides itself on academics.

2020 2019 keep an eye on this one. School can be seen as a place to be if rumors of an Indoor facility comes to fruition.

Talk about keeping it in state. 15 D1 school
Cause
Albany
Stony Brook
Army
Colgate
Cornell

Hofstra
Marist
Siena
Binghamton
Manhattan

Wagner
St John's
Canisius
Hobart

If you don't have an Indoor facility in NY you put yourself behind the 8ball. Tough to compete with those school with mild Temps.