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I don't think it ever did, anywhere. Just speculations on such an early valuable commit. Lets not blow that out of proportion, only the family and school will truly know what was offered to them.

Yes, I shouldn't have speculated 'full scholarship' and stuck with 'substantial', but let's be honest, if he's truly the #1 recruit in the country for both 2020 & 2019 as some have said on these forums, then anything less than 95% for such an early top rated recruit is not what I would expect. And I'm speaking in general terms, not even this particular player/family. Would go for any Top 5 recruit in any sport.

Not true, the very best are getting 50-70% of total cost, I know a few that have been considered the best in their positions and this is what they are getting. Some say full ride because they are getting 100% of tuition, which is not really a full ride. I think any kid that gets upwards of 25% of total cost has done really well.

Agree with this, this has been our experience as well.

I think de-committing is starting to happen at a more rapid pace as is poaching committed players. There are plenty of stories of kids not getting in to their committed university for a variety of reasons including academics. It would be more interesting to see how many play all four years at college. Many drop out before their junior year

And many are NOT de-committing in the Jr (2017) class. Our son was a very early freshman commit to a top 20 D1 program. he has had a few other D1 programs "lightly" approach him thru a club coaches, but it was NEVER a "rapid pace of poaching". And exact same goes for several of our friends sons in same age. that committed as freshman also.

We read stuff on here 2 years ago that kids like mine would "de-commit" or not be as good as they got older or wouldn't get in due to academics. Well our son KEPT his committed, the coach HASNT been fired, he was approved by admissions an he is nationally ranked player.

So any of you with younger kids committed already, dont believe half the crap you hear or read, dont let these people who's kids are NOT being actively recruited SCARE you. Most are are envious/jealous of you and your son.

Only thing to say to someones son whom commits at ANY age is - CONGRATS.

And many are NOT de-committing in the Jr (2017) class. Our son was a very early freshman commit to a top 20 D1 program. he has had a few other D1 programs "lightly" approach him thru a club coaches, but it was NEVER a "rapid pace of poaching". And exact same goes for several of our friends sons in same age. that committed as freshman also.

We read stuff on here 2 years ago that kids like mine would "de-commit" or not be as good as they got older or wouldn't get in due to academics. Well our son KEPT his committed, the coach HASNT been fired, he was approved by admissions an he is nationally ranked player.

So any of you with younger kids committed already, dont believe half the crap you hear or read, dont let these people who's kids are NOT being actively recruited SCARE you. Most are are envious/jealous of you and your son.

Only thing to say to someones son whom commits at ANY age is - CONGRATS.

I think your nuts but congrats to your kid who has a good head on his shoulders. Be real man not alot of kids are that focused. I have four and only one knew what he wanted to do. They are all athletic and played hs lax. Just because a kid makes a verbal doesn't mean alot in most cases. If you were a kid wouldn't you want to go to duke or ND? Who wouldn't. Maybe two out of ten really know what they want to do. Don't try to encourage people to tell their kid oh that's great. Your leaving out alot of info. You could probably afford it but others may not. That's just for starters. If I have to explain the rest to you then you have problems. What's good for one may not be good for others so put a lid on it. People like you would make other kids feel like crap nd you would enjoy it I'm sure. Think before you speak. Happy easter. Go say a prayer for those less fortunate. Tone it down a bit.

And many are NOT de-committing in the Jr (2017) class. Our son was a very early freshman commit to a top 20 D1 program. he has had a few other D1 programs "lightly" approach him thru a club coaches, but it was NEVER a "rapid pace of poaching". And exact same goes for several of our friends sons in same age. that committed as freshman also.

We read stuff on here 2 years ago that kids like mine would "de-commit" or not be as good as they got older or wouldn't get in due to academics. Well our son KEPT his committed, the coach HASNT been fired, he was approved by admissions an he is nationally ranked player.

So any of you with younger kids committed already, dont believe half the crap you hear or read, dont let these people who's kids are NOT being actively recruited SCARE you. Most are are envious/jealous of you and your son.

Only thing to say to someones son whom commits at ANY age is - CONGRATS.

I don't note this to poke anything negative at families or kids, but the context does beg for a few more details. My son is also a 2017, he did not commit early. He had some opportunities but not ones that were at schools on his very narrow dream list, or they were weaker academic colleges we as parents just blocked off. He is a good enough student and player to go the NECSAC route. Our family does get lightly approached as well about the possibility of being a preferred walk on (a roster spot recruit with no money) by a few now including, to my surprise, one on his very short list from 9th grade.

His very short list in 9th grade had three schools, all of which were fabulous lacrosse programs at good academic colleges, but now his preferences with a blank piece of paper are none of the three.

The 2017 class was the first one where early 9th graders committed in large numbers. But early recruiting was hardly pioneered in his class. There are current college sophs who committed as rising sophs in large numbers. I would argue this trend has reached onto the field and we are getting early data on the early recruiting now.

Hopkins = nailed it with the class that is now sophs, they appear to have found a few freshmen who can play. Their HS early commits in our hotbed area I'd say are some hit and many miss. One Final Four last year after 8 years of no Final Fours.

UNC = kind of a mess. They rode the Sankey / Bitter show (which was last year's college seniors who were from an era before 9th or early 10th grade ER in large #s) with ok results. They are not strong this year and look like a program that will be in build mode for the next 1-2 years. No Final Fours in last decade. I have seen all of the early recruits in our area and most in other areas to UNC and as a whole it is a very underwhelming group. Breschi knows he needs to poach like crazy in the next few years to survive and he is doing it in a big way.

UVA = absolulte dumpster fire to quote Quint Kessenich. Half the kids on the team are considering quitting (my son is very close friends with two first year players and we know one of their families very well). The current players and families seem happy enough with UVA as a school, but there is a pall hanging over the program and it is hard to imagine the coach won't leave after this year. I have seen UVA recruits in our area and around and it has a star or two in each class, but then a lot of mistakes after that.

I think people should suspend belief over "what can't happen" or "what never happened" considering there hasn't been an era like the one starting now where programs can implode fast by recruiting and managing the program poorly for a few years...then it starts to show up.

You make total sense, it all comes down to this: nothing is for sure until they sign the NLI and then it is only guaranteed for a year. If you child "commits" with this in mind, then they won't be totally surprised if something changes. I would say, you ALWAYS need to have a back-up plan. Will early "commitments" work for some kids, yes, will they not work out for others, yes.

I don't belive the parents on this site. Any kid that gives a verbal so early I guess you can call it good thing. Talk to me when the kid signs a letter then I'll be happy. See most people are true to themselves and of their children. I for one know that my kids can make any travel A team around here. That's with taking the politics out of it and basing it on talent. So what should I do take them to a college that I can't afford or wait that he can't afford. See people this is reality. Most people don't have the big bucks that most of you on this site seem to have. I would never do that too my kids. Why feed them a dream when I know they are above average students and not scholars. You see this is what real people think about when there kid is talking about college. Maybe you should try to have friends that are average as far as income and not as fancy of a car that you have. Don't look down upon others cause carma is a [lacrosse]. People aren't mad that the kid gave a verbal it's more about the parents on this site. You need to get a life and be realistic. You think your kid could go to a 50 or 60k school if you didn't make alot of money. You would not be writing stuff on this site if your position was different. Be thankful you got it like that. The percentage of kids committing to D1 schools is nothing compared to the amount of kids that are playing the sport.

I don't belive the parents on this site. Any kid that gives a verbal so early I guess you can call it good thing. Talk to me when the kid signs a letter then I'll be happy. See most people are true to themselves and of their children. I for one know that my kids can make any travel A team around here. That's with taking the politics out of it and basing it on talent. So what should I do take them to a college that I can't afford or wait that he can't afford. See people this is reality. Most people don't have the big bucks that most of you on this site seem to have. I would never do that too my kids. Why feed them a dream when I know they are above average students and not scholars. You see this is what real people think about when there kid is talking about college. Maybe you should try to have friends that are average as far as income and not as fancy of a car that you have. Don't look down upon others cause carma is a [lacrosse]. People aren't mad that the kid gave a verbal it's more about the parents on this site. You need to get a life and be realistic. You think your kid could go to a 50 or 60k school if you didn't make alot of money. You would not be writing stuff on this site if your position was different. Be thankful you got it like that. The percentage of kids committing to D1 schools is nothing compared to the amount of kids that are playing the sport.

From Quint Kessenich's piece in Inside Lacrosse magazine today.

"Early recruiting is disgusting: The evaluation and recruitment of eighth- and ninth-graders disgusts me. Penn State recently reached a verbal agreement with an eighth-grader. It's flat out wrong on many levels. Coaches I respect and admire are participating. They must not see the damage they are doing at the high school level to kids and their families. Nobody benefits from this."

You're right. It isn't like he's the greatest living goalie or own national championships at Hopkins. What does he know.

I don't belive the parents on this site. Any kid that gives a verbal so early I guess you can call it good thing. Talk to me when the kid signs a letter then I'll be happy. See most people are true to themselves and of their children. I for one know that my kids can make any travel A team around here. That's with taking the politics out of it and basing it on talent. So what should I do take them to a college that I can't afford or wait that he can't afford. See people this is reality. Most people don't have the big bucks that most of you on this site seem to have. I would never do that too my kids. Why feed them a dream when I know they are above average students and not scholars. You see this is what real people think about when there kid is talking about college. Maybe you should try to have friends that are average as far as income and not as fancy of a car that you have. Don't look down upon others cause carma is a [lacrosse]. People aren't mad that the kid gave a verbal it's more about the parents on this site. You need to get a life and be realistic. You think your kid could go to a 50 or 60k school if you didn't make alot of money. You would not be writing stuff on this site if your position was different. Be thankful you got it like that. The percentage of kids committing to D1 schools is nothing compared to the amount of kids that are playing the sport.

From Quint Kessenich's piece in Inside Lacrosse magazine today.

"Early recruiting is disgusting: The evaluation and recruitment of eighth- and ninth-graders disgusts me. Penn State recently reached a verbal agreement with an eighth-grader. It's flat out wrong on many levels. Coaches I respect and admire are participating. They must not see the damage they are doing at the high school level to kids and their families. Nobody benefits from this."

You're right. It isn't like he's the greatest living goalie or own national championships at Hopkins. What does he know.

Just because he had some success on the field doesn't mean he's the all knowing lax god. When he has the opportunity, does he use his time on TV to call these schools out on early recruiting? NO. Does he call for change and an age based system in the youth leagues with all the holdbacks and double holdbacks? NO. How about his girlfriend Carc? He runs the most exclusive Showcase in Lacrosse recruiting. Does he stand up and make the that event age based? NO. That's all you need to know about Quint, he's a coward as is his buddy. Just soaking the game for as much money as they can. Plain and simple.

Just because he had some success on the field doesn't mean he's the all knowing lax god. When he has the opportunity, does he use his time on TV to call these schools out on early recruiting? NO. Does he call for change and an age based system in the youth leagues with all the holdbacks and double holdbacks? NO. How about his girlfriend Carc? He runs the most exclusive Showcase in Lacrosse recruiting. Does he stand up and make the that event age based? NO. That's all you need to know about Quint, he's a coward as is his buddy. Just soaking the game for as much money as they can. Plain and simple.

Just because he had some success on the field doesn't mean he's the all knowing lax god. When he has the opportunity, does he use his time on TV to call these schools out on early recruiting? NO. Does he call for change and an age based system in the youth leagues with all the holdbacks and double holdbacks? NO. How about his girlfriend Carc? He runs the most exclusive Showcase in Lacrosse recruiting. Does he stand up and make the that event age based? NO. That's all you need to know about Quint, he's a coward as is his buddy. Just soaking the game for as much money as they can. Plain and simple.

Playing on a top club team does get you to the most competitive events against better competition, but in my opinion the better the club team the worse the player development. The top clubs just want the club resume to read success placing kids to colleges, so they rush that early process and then move on. Have you seen a 10th or an 11th grade club lacrosse event in the past year? UGLY. Lots of committed kids who haven't gotten better since 8th grade. Just plain ugly. Top club teams also have the effect of hiding pretty good players and on a top team it gets harder to not mistake them as better players than they are. Filling a narrow role on a club team and playing in only a few games that are better than 15-3 type scores doesn't prepare a kid physically or mentally to play college lacrosse. This is one thing that Quint opined on and he is right.

No the kid who was the stud in 8th grade was the early bloomer and looked head and shoulders above everyone else. This is so true in so many cases. Seen it time and time again. And when other kids catch up in regards to growth and puberty it's a different story.

I've had different experieneces. The 8th grade varsity pull-ups I know may have dipped a year (sophomore slumps - it happens) but in my experience are still the top kids in the class . Not to say others in other peoples experience it is different but you say time and time again I don't see time and time again.

How do you know what he does and doesnt do!!! Your just assuming you know. What the guy has is years of experience playing at the highest level, years of experience coaching, and years of experience covering lacrosse, and as a matter of fact other college sports for ESPN. What more do you need to receive some credit and respect by all the All American parents on this site. Come on people. What more can the guy do to let coaches know that he hates the early recruiting. He said how he feels and now people are attacking him.

Whats your profession. Arent you just soaking up what you do to make a living because you are good at it. You make no sense