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My original point still stands that this date is not arbitrary and is acomidating to a 6th grade holdback who likes to brag about playing up!

How is it accommodating if a specific child will be TURNING 13!!!! Know your facts before you speak! This rule is not to accommodate any one child... it is to accommodate the later starters in other states!

Funny how with the new cut off date the 6th grader that you mentioned will be able to play in his 3rd WSYL next year also.

Funny that you all know one kids birthdate. Stop measuring your son against him, it's a losing battle for you all.

It makes me laugh when I read this.

My son is a 7th grader, born January 2003, and he does NOT care if he is playing someone who is older, bigger or better. From this upcoming middle school season until he gets through high school and maybe if he decides to play in college, it will be this way. Just a fact! I don't care either because its not going to change.
All I tell my son is to practice hard, play hard, be a good teammate and don't look back because there will always be someone chasing him.Don't worry about the opponents size or age because its out of his control.
I don't know where this quote came from, but I tell him
"When you lose say nothing, when you win, say less".

And u would feel the same way if u had a oct 2003 like me.

VERY well stated. Hats off to you my friend!
RC

It will take time for this to settle. The reality is the clubs that start building teams specifically for this event will dominate, and traditional clubs with grade based teams will not be able to compete and thus will probably drop out. So you will have a bunch of new clubs filling the void for traditional club programs that will lose interest quickly, probably this year or next. Especially once a few 7th graders get seriously hurt by 8th graders that are 15 months older and 50 lbs heavier.

It will take time for this to settle. The reality is the clubs that start building teams specifically for this event will dominate, and traditional clubs with grade based teams will not be able to compete and thus will probably drop out. So you will have a bunch of new clubs filling the void for traditional club programs that will lose interest quickly, probably this year or next. Especially once a few 7th graders get seriously hurt by 8th graders that are 15 months older and 50 lbs heavier.


Yes, surprised more people are not talking about how this will likely lead to some serious injuries where grade based teams with young 7th graders will be playing against much bigger and older 8th graders. Potential nightmare for kids, parents, coaches, and organizers. Should have stayed with everyone needing to meet the grade criteria. Less risk of someone getting hurt.

What?! Staying with grade criteria makes it worse considering the boatload of holdbacks in MD, MA and other areas, and now some of the two main LI orgs who are jumping on that bandwagon. At least some older kids were filtered out.

Age is the way to go, although 5/1 is way early. They should stick to FIL and US Lacrosse age rules or Jan 1 like other sports

Are any clubs even supporting this event this year? I would be surprised if the WSYL even exists in 2 years. While it's a good concept, the truth is, teams don't need to fly to Denver to play good competition. In fact, the competition that was there last year was terrible.

I don't believe Crabs 2021 is even going to the qualifier. Can anyone confirm what top clubs are participating in the qualifiers next month? So far it's been crickets in Maryland.

Mesa koopers bethesda is all i have heard.

US lacrosse just adopted a new player segmentation policy for player safety. They are promoting players play within a 12 month age range with an age cutoff of September 1.

"Age is based on player's age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level."

WSYL will have to comply next year for the safety of the kids. This year I guess will just be a free for all with a mix of ages and grades. Too bad for the kids it turned out to be such a mess this year.

Why do you think the WSYL will have to comply? They don't this year.....

How does this effect club lax teams will they be reshuffled

I think they will have to comply because it will be too expensive for club teams to try and manage a US lacrosse compliant club program (players playing within 12 month age range with September 1 cutoff) and an entirely separate team that never plays together picked from two separate age groups just for one weekend tournament. Would be absurd and a total nightmare. Clubs that follow US lacrosse guidelines won't participate because they won't be competitive and their kids will get injured playing the older kids in WSYL. WSYL should just align with the governing body recommendation.



Why do you think the WSYL will have to comply? They don't this year.....

US lacrosse just adopted a new player segmentation policy for player safety. They are promoting players play within a 12 month age range with an age cutoff of September 1.

"Age is based on player's age as of September 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level."

WSYL will have to comply next year for the safety of the kids. This year I guess will just be a free for all with a mix of ages and grades. Too bad for the kids it turned out to be such a mess this year.

Many of the tournaments are grade based and teams are grade-based. These teams simply don't play in age-based tournaments and don't care about USL rules, policies and governance. I don't see how this will have much of an impact . . . unless it's a U-based tournament.

Rules are useless when there is no governance.

Most of the North teams look pretty strong - Team 91, Icon, Igloo, LI Express, Eclipse, Primetime, Legacy, FCA Northeast, Cape Town & Team ASW

The West teams are less well-known - 3D dallas, Team West Coast, Colorado Crush, Mad Dog West, Denver Rifles, SoCal Express & Aces

Other regions not up yet.

The WSYL North regional lists Team 91 2021 Orange/Blaze. Is this a combo team?

What does Icon/Express mean? Did they grab kids from Express

Not really they only cut four kids off the roster.clearly the kids that won't be on the team next year anyway, nice

You left out the #1 seed Legacy Taz. The Legacy team has about 10 players from the 2020 Taz team playing at the regionals. Now we know who wanted the 8th graders in. A lot of people on this website were wrong when they said 91 was the culprit.

that is why this year is a joke. It is not going to be the best team but the program that is willing to use the rules to their advantage to build a 7/8 grade team that will win. Most will probably be loyal to their kids and play their true 2021 teams but some will not. It will be obvious. Next year will be better if WSYL consistent with US lacrosse. Makes sense for the kids.

What teams will be loyal to their true 2021 teams? I don't know of any.

I bet most will, not all of these organizations are that disloyal.

Then the organizations that are loyal to their 2021 team don't have any 2020 players born on or after 5/1/02.

So true

Loyal, Integrity , Upright, are works not associate with club lacrosse.

Is it true that most of the 2021 teams ( Express, 91 and Legacy) are bring in 2020 kids to play for them?

They have posted the east regional teams on the wsyl website. Unless i am reading it incorrectly, it looks like the crabs will not be in this year's wsyl. The east group includes teams like green turtles, mesa, koopers, leading edge, diamondbacks, etc.

o the extent they meet the age cutoff yes

I can tell you Icon does not have a 2020 team, they will not and that staff would not take any 2020 kids. Don't know why a true 2021 would attend this year when other teams will take 2020 kids, not right, plan and simple. They will not be playing on the same playing field. What the WS people have done is hurt the 2021 teams as a whole. What are you telling some players you can play all year but for these tourney's we are taking older kids so you cannot play.

greene turtle and Koopers by far the class of that group. If they are really taking 4 teams the other 2 will be irrelevant.

Is it true that most of the 2021 teams ( Express, 91 and Legacy) are bring in 2020 kids to play for them?


No. Express is not bringing 2020 players. They are bringing their 2021 team.

The real question is who will be there guest player or players being ICON is there as well my guess is they play for express....

Express is trying to recruit kids from other teams so I find it hard to believe that they are bringing no 2020 kids.

They were Orange and added the Blaze name.

...and they are pulling kids from 2020 Crush. So the name above is not representative of a combo team, only the roster is.

Why?