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Both posts make valid points. It really does come down to a family decision and the student's decision. I have seen so many mismatched students because a school offers some money but the school is all wrong for the student.

There is almost a 50% burnout rate for D1/D2 students. It is a huge commitment.

D3 may be a fit for many students. No athletic money at all but the schools will help with financial packages based on need. Schools that are competitive in lacrosse at the D3 level (NESCAC schools such as Amherst, Williams, Tufts, Middlebury, Hamilton and non-NESCAC schools such as Washington & Lee, Franklin & Marshall, Gettysburg) are very difficult to get admitted. You are looking at Ivy type requirements (some of the schools I mentioned are 'Little Ivies") so your child needs to have high academics. They are also very expensive.

I don't think the reply poster has a chip on his shoulder but surely D1/D2 students are not suckers. Sit down wth your child sooner than later and talk about what they want from college overall. If they want to do a true semester abroad or are trying for a difficult degree (Yes, I know there are some who are pre-med and D1. Rare) and want to play lacrosse (or any sport) maybe D3 is the way. Some students don't want to live a way from home so a local school may be an option.

There is no right or wrong, outside of giving the student the best chance of succeeding now and into the future.

# 3


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Southern Cal
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Northwestern
12. Duke
13. Louiesville
14. Stony Brook
15. Boston College
16. Towson
17. Penn
18. UConn
19. Massachusetts
20. Loyola

Duke lost to Elon , which also takes away from USC win, pen state lost drop them down 3/4 spots Princeton 1 goal win over unranked Georgetown.

Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.

Got it, missed Elon over Duke. That changes some things.


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Louisville
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Stony Brook
12. Northwestern
13. Boston College
14. Towson
15. UConn
16. Massachusetts
17. Southern Cal
18. Vanderbilt
19. Elon
20. Loyola

Hopkins, Penn and Duke all out of the top 20 for now.

how can you keep Loyola in top 20 with 3 losses and only 1 win and drop Duke at 3 and 3, makes no sense.

Also still UNC with 2 losses over 'cuse, both have played lower ranked teams and won, but 'cause without a loss and beating 2 teams that were at that time ranked (loyola and Northwestern) and UNC with 2 ranked loses, makes no sense

Since 1990 there have only been 5 programs to win the national championship. I think everyone had hoped the game would have had a better competitive balance by now but it just cant seem to break through. After the top 10-15 programs the talent level still falls off a cliff. Everyone plays by the same scholarship rules so why can't other programs break in?

Maryland has 11, Northwestern 7, Princeton 3, Virginia 3, North Carolina 1

So after the bumpy start to the season. Would you bet on the five teams above or take the field?

# 3


1. MD
2. Florida
3. Notre Dame
4. UNC
5. Syracuse
6. Princeton
7. Stanford
8. Southern Cal
9. Virginia
10. Penn State
11. Northwestern
12. Duke
13. Louiesville
14. Stony Brook
15. Boston College
16. Towson
17. Penn
18. UConn
19. Massachusetts
20. Loyola

Loyola came out of the gate with a very difficult early season schedule. Florida and Syracuse are Top 5 programs and then they played Hopkins and Towson both are competitive teams and they are also rivalry games for bragging rights on Charles Street which make them tougher then random games. Loyola's next two games are Penn State and Virginia. They could have scheduled some less competitive programs and have a 4 - 0 record. If they can win one of the next two they can stay in the top 20.

Duke lost to Elon. Great win for Elon. At 3 - 3 Blue Devils need to earn consideration. I think they have to win at least 3 or 4 ACC games and all of their non conference games (unless Elon finishes in the top 10) to be in the top 20 at the end of the season.

Not just wins and losses. Have to beat good teams and you cant lose to less competitive teams.

I.M.H.O.

1. UMD
2. FLA
3. ND
4. 'cuse
5. Princeton
6. UVA
7. Louisville
8. UNC
9. Penn St
10. Stony Brook
11. U Mass
12. Stanford
13. So Cal
14. Uconn
15. Towson

New media poll is out and IMO very accurate

ok got it ... u r a NU hater ... Not a top 15 team? Silly

You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag

What has N.U. done THIS year to deserve being top 15

Most rankings early are based on last season where my NOT favorite team Stony Brook beat NU Florida and smashed Notre Dame That is how a team gets a high pre season ranking. You also made me do some research on SB schedule their next four games they play the 3rd, 6th and 10 th ranked team in country in addition to Yale also noticed an interesting game with Stanford Not a bad schedule for mid major. Impossible to compare to a ACC or Big 10 schedule but you can only control what you can control. Regardless good for LI to have a college team that is relevant.

Well have you watched their games? I have. They are a top 15 team. They have lost on the road at SYR by 4 and UVA by 2. They won on the road at Duke by 3.

Last year they were 14-7 and were a final 8 team. When your favorite team, Stonybrook I'm sure, plays a real schedule, get back to me. What has Stones done THIS year, to warrant a top 15 ranking? See how silly you sound??

You people with your make believe polls that bolster your daughters team is real sad state of affairs. Leave the polls alone there are three different ones that matter Louisville at 7 UVA at 6 Princeton all the way up to 5 after the really impressive one goal win over a poor unranked Georgetown team. Lololo
Agenda driven Stick to these
Iwlca coaches poll
Media poll
Nike lax mag

So after the bumpy start to the season. Would you bet on the five teams above or take the field?

IWLCA is a joke. Early in the season polls should be based on actual performance not the previous season. As the year progresses the teams body of work is what should be considered. Duke lost to Elon and is 3 - 3. Sorry but based on YTD performance they should not be in the top 20. Tell me, if Rutgers, Umass, Villanova or Harvard had the exact same results as Duke would they be ranked? Virginia is 3-1 and beat a 1-2 Northwestern team yet somehow NU is ranked ahead of UVA. Princeton is 3-0 and beat Virginia by 7 goals yet Cav's are ranked 2 slots higher than the Tigers. Not sure Ohio State should be in there either based on there YTD SOS and performance. Questioning Stony Brook as well. Although I think they are a Top 10 team they have not done anything yet. Most teams have played between 3 and 5 games so far. I have a hard time giving credit to a team who has only played one game against a less competitive opponent.

You contradict yourself. How can early season polls be based on actual performance and then as the season progresses you base it on the body of work? There is no body of work early in the season so prior year (which includes returning players, recruiting an impact player as well) has to be the gauge to rank. As the teams play then the poll sorts itself out.

All polls, for any sport, start with the expectation of how a team will play. In D1 basketball Kentucky was ranked #1 early in the season but is now #22. Villanova was ranked #11 at the beginning of the season and was ranked #1.

So you are half right--as the teams play their games the polls will correct themselves. You have to also know polls were created for the sake of folks debating (arguing?). It's all good fun.

You sound very angry......why it's just my opinion. Yes I have watched 2 f the 3 games (not the Duke game, also not in my top 15) and I.M.H.O. they are not playing like a top 15 team, nor do I think they have recruited very well over the last couple of years so I.M.H.O. I think they are on a down slope right now.

You also seem to make assumptions about people you have never met, so let me state unequivocally, I do not like Stony Brook or there coach in any way, so obviously my daughter does not go their, which should have been obvious when I said she does not attend any of my top 15 schools. You are quit obviously the parent of a N.U. student, or at least a rabid supporter of the program, so let me give you insight to my mindset. I am a fan of the game not to ay 1 school, I cheer hard for my daughter and want her to do well, but that measure of success does not hinge on how well her lacrosse team does in college. She has picked a difficult major that is frowned upon by most coaches, but still plays for a D1 team, and has played significant minuets, so I.M.H.O. she is already successful. She will leave school with a degree in something other than numbers and science, and will not have to do any additional years because she played the sport she loves. Will she win national championship...... no, but because of the hard work she puts in she's already a champion in my mind

Might you be the one who sounds angry? No parent of an NU student here. You don't think they have recruited well? They have a great group of young players. That is why they r "struggling", they r playing a ton of young players. I do always find it interesting when parents like to make backhanded digs at other kids like you just did. Basically saying that any kid who plays at a place like NU (or any other top lax program) is majoring in "numbers and science". Hate to inform you, but there are plenty of kids both playing high level lax and getting great degrees. Nobody said anything about your daughter. You are the only one here putting impressive young women down. Shame on you.