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Some snippits from HS thread: here are some numbers.


There are approximately 100 2019 verbal commitments. I would guess 95% have not played a Varsity game.

It looks like every single one of the kids play Club.

There are approximately 30 Clubs represented.

Sweetlax, Laxachussets, Big 4 HHH, and Edge are leading the pack. Express, Madlax, Crabs, 91 and some others are not far behind, all have multiple commits.

There will be another 150 - 200 kids committed after this summer with the majority of kids being from the 30 or so clubs with current commits.

About 20 DI Schools have at least one 2019 commit. The usual suspects have as many as 13.

I would guess that 15 - 18 of the current Top 20 college programs have at least one freshman committed and just about all of the Top 30 - 40 schools were actively recruiting the class of 2019 this past summer and fall.

Like it or not playing on one of the top club teams has advantages. Exposure to more college coaches and playing in the most competitive tournaments are two of the advantages. Even after kids commit college coaches are encouraging their recruits to continue to play with these club because they want them playing against the best competition.

You are correct that there are a lot of spots but they are filling up fast at many of the top programs/schools.

Remember, there is more than on way to skin a cat. You do not have to play on one of the top club teams in order to be recruited but to diminish or ignore the facts and or benefits/advantages is foolish.

To each his own.

I agree. There are enough events to get noticed though and not be an NLF member. Does it help? Yes, but these coaches know who the other top teams are. Looneys 2020 has a ton of D1 kids on it. You think colleges aren't going to find them because their not NLF members?

Best 2020 teams

91 Crush
Crabs
Madlax
Looneys

Everyone else

In that order? I doubt that. Madlax maybe shouldn't even be included. And keep in mind Crabs is really a 2019 team, based on DOB for most of its starting players.

[quote=Anonymous]Best 2020 teams

91 Crush
Crabs
Madlax
Looneys

Everyone else [/quote

Looneys will beat all those teams!

But aren't there holdbacks on all of those teams? Maybe you should keep that in mind and stop with the excuses! Or maybe it's easy to be a cry baby when you lose

But aren't there holdbacks on all of those teams? Maybe you should keep that in mind and stop with the excuses! Or maybe it's easy to be a cry baby when you lose

Definitely won't beat Crabs after they got beatdown in the fall.

Coaches will want to see top players playing other top players. Hopefully Looneys can find some tournaments that let second rate clubs in or Next year our tryouts will be crowded in MD

What are you talking about with Looney's? The only second rate club I can think of, as far as ethics goes, is Crabs, they have no ethics.

Beatdown in the fall? You got to be kidding, they lost to Crabs 6/4, don't call that a beatown especially when mainly a team of 13 year olds playing a team of 14 and close to 15 year olds. If it makes you feel good that this was a beatdown, have at it. Good night Crab fan/dad.

You must not have been there. Crabs were up 5-1 or something before letting in a few cheapie. It was not close.

Just as many holdbacks on Looney's and other clubs. Team 91 has them, too.

You are the one looking idiotic since these are grade based teams.

You must not have been there. Crabs were up 5-1 or something before letting in a few cheapie. It was not close.

Just as many holdbacks on Looney's and other clubs. Team 91 has them, too.

You are the one looking idiotic since these are grade based teams.

I was there, and it was never that much of a spread. And how is it that when another team scores on Crabs it is a cheapie?

Almost every club team has holdbacks but not at the level of Crabs. They exploit the grade base system and are known as the cheaters of youth lacrosse. Double holdbacks on 2020 and their starters are all holdbacks. As someone else posted, all of Crabs rosters were accidentally released at tournament last fall, many other coaches have the birth dates of all of their players. So in the end, it is you who looks like an idiot by your continued denial that Crabs has no more than any other team. That's just plain BS and you know it.

It astounds me that as youth club lacrosse growth has skyrocketed there has never been a greater push to an age based system to at least 9th or 10th grade. The fact is the majority (not all) of Westchester and LI lacrosse clubs are made up of public school kids where the only way you can be held back is by failing academically, or moving to a private school. In Maryland suburbs, (Baltimore in particular) the majority of lacrosse players go to private schools where being held back is the norm. So, if this Crab parent wants to admit it or not, his son probably goes to (Boys Latin, Gilman, Loyola or one of their feeder schools)a boys private school where a typical 8th grader may be 16, whereas in the typical LI or Westchester public school the youth player is 14. It is what it is.

Its a grade based system and college coaches actively recruit 8th graders. Should we really expect that there would be no holdbacks? I know we all want to blame Crabs but they didnt create this system. I also dont see how its relavant as to which team has the most holdbacks. You either have them or you dont.

Its a grade based system and college coaches actively recruit 8th graders. Should we really expect that there would be no holdbacks? I know we all want to blame Crabs but they didnt create this system. I also dont see how its relavant as to which team has the most holdbacks. You either have them or you dont.

People just single out Crabs because they are successful. Madlax has more holdbacks than anyone, but nobody cares as much because Madlax isn't nearly as successful.

Not so. Ryan M created the holdback crap when he was doing it to his HS team players, getting them to repeat a year, in order to gain an advantage. He was one of the strongest proponents for the grade base system in other age brackets so he could further his cheating ways. It is very relevant as to the number of holdbacks. Most club teams have a few, Crabs has a sh*tload of them, especially on 2020 and 2021 teams, just outright abusing the sprit of the grade base system. Maybe college coaches are recruiting 8th grade players, who are usually 14 years old. Crab players in the 8th grade are 15 and some will be 16 by this summer, plus 2020 has two double holdbacks. Go check it out, Crabs and Ryan M created this bullsh*t and he struts around like it is nothing. He and his organization are a total embarrassment to youth lacrosse, in Md and in other areas of the country. Would I like to see teams boycott playing his 2020 team, I would love it but it won't happen. If it did and he had no one to play from Md just maybe he would wise up. Until then, he will just be the master thief and manipulator of youth club lacrosse. Sickening.

People just single out Crabs because they are successful. Madlax has more holdbacks than anyone, but nobody cares as much because Madlax isn't nearly as successful.

So the fact that the other big name clubs have taken on holdbacks is ok? Ok because they only have 3 or so? Is there a magic cutoff number? Not sure what your argument is? Is it ok to have 3 or 4, but not 5 or 6? I believe you can't single out the Crabs if your own club is playing with holdbacks. Trust me, I'm against it, and my son plays on a team that has some. However I feel it would be Hypocritical for me to call out other teams for doing the same thing my son's team does.

They don't have 7+ holdbacks, but keep on lying.

They don't have 7+ holdbacks, but keep on lying.

They don't have 7+ holdbacks, but keep on lying.

I think ALL clubs should protest by not playing crabs when scheduled to do so in a tournament. then after a summer of no games they'll get it and just sign their team up for '19 bracket, where they should be and the world will return to order. 91 should bump their double hold back to their 19 team as well.