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What 2021 AA teams will be in the "new" HoCo? NYPLL/HoCo Combo.?

Who are the perceived rankings?

The answer is every travel team out there. With these two coming together. What clubs could be playing else where. And why would they.

This is a terrible list. There are several teams you listed as "you would think" that have no business playing at the highest level. There is also at least one team listed as "probably not" that absolutely would/should be competitive at the highest level.

Which of the "probably not" group could play AA?

None.

Cannons, MDX and Roughriders definitely don't belong in the AA. Depending on the number of teams, Madlax barely belongs on that list. Their 2020 and 2021 teams are really bad.

2021: Crabs, Bethesda, Hawks, Green Turtle, Koopers

These are AA Teams - hopefully some additional Clubs will step up too.

Thunder doesn't belong on "AA", they struggles with FCA White and Looney Green.

Never even heard of a club called Thunder in this area. Some of those teams are not competitive. Terrible list.

Out of Harford County, associated with Mavericks. I think they both merged and now are Upper Chesapeake

2021 Crabs can't hold a candle to Koopers and Green Turtle 2021.

That's funny

I believe that the last tournament with all 3 had Koopers vs Green Turtle in the finals.

My guess at the 2022 AA teams would be in no particular order:
Cannons, Team 91 (Old Breakers), Madlax, Hawks, Crabs, Bethesda, Diamondbacks, Rough Riders, FCA, 3D

My guess at the A division would be Club Blue, Next Level, Storm, Mavericks (Old Thunder), Koopers, Looneys, Lax Factory, Lax World, Greene Turtle, Sidewinders

For B & C - who knows.

Having seen most of these 2022 teams play, I think the competition will be great. I hope the kids get to know each other. They will be playing against each other for at least the next six years with club and high school. The parents should take the opportunity to get to know the other parents. I think they will realize just how similar they are. Maybe familiarity will cut down on some of the vitriol on boards like this; although I doubt it.

Only until Crabs do their 8th grade shuffle for the 2021 next year

It will happen this summer, same as it did last summer. Eighth graders who are repeating the grade will be playing on the 2021 team

I think the area 2022 coaches are bringing all the area teams together in a good way. They have lined up many friendly scrimmages. The parents are getting to know each other and support each other's kids. Lacrosse is a great sport to bring people together... even when fighting for the same trophy.

The issue with the clubs in MD is that the people that run the clubs rub people the wrong way. Most people feel MM at 91 is a flaming [lacrosse]. People have similar feeling towards RM. Most everyone has the same feeling about FCA and the Kellys.

For the most part, parents love the club their kid plays for and loathe the others.

I have kids on 2 different clubs and I get along with both. But I don't think that is typical

Is there anyone in Lacrosse that most people like??? Or is Lacrosse just full of pompous aho^*'s

Say what you want about the Kelly's and MM but they clearly know what they are doing and offer the best training to youth lacrosse players. Just because you would not want to be friends or hang out with them, doesn't mean you don't want your kids learning from them. RM on the other hand has no talent and is not a great teacher of the game or ethics.. Businessman yes, but exploits kids.

Full of self entitled, pompous a-holes

Most Lacrosse people are great people. It's just that the pompous aholes are the loudest and demand the most attention.

Pretty much this.

When can we expect to see the division breakdowns and schedules?

Obviously new to HOCO. Probably not until the week before the games start

No more like by end of first week of games.

Help if you are in the know with certain teams. My data is from parents on each of these teams. Should be pretty accurate.

Crabs - 13 holdbacks
Team 91 - 3-4 holdbacks
FCA - 2 holdbacks
Loonies - 1-2 holdbacks
Hawks - 1 holdback
Rising Sons - unknown

Crabs clearly favorite to win league but could be beat by any of these teams if they have off day. Crabs could literally play entire starting team with 9th grade age kids. Difference I see is Crabs coaching not at same level as Kelly, Million, Hogan, and Grimes. Watching Crabs play they run very predictable and basic offensive sets. Just have studs that can execute because bigger and more athletic then most teams. RM and AS not great lax IQ and may cost them games against better lacrosse minds teaching game at higher level. Either way 2020 is great class with many kids that will play at next level.

I predict Loonies as upset winners. They are very well coached and improve as year goes on. Thoughts?

Crabs wins it.

Agree. To say crabs doesn't have good coaching is funny

[quote=Anonymous]Crabs wins it. [/quote

If Crabs do win it, only because they have a 2019 team playing in a 2020 league. And what the prior poster stated about Ryan M's coaching ability, he has none, thus the need for all the "older" players. He likes having 15 and a few (by this summer) 16 year olds playing against 13 year olds. Makes him feel like he is a great coach.

Keep crying. Crabs were the best when it was age based as well. Sorry that 4 kids who reclassed to 2020 threatens you so much.

FCA has more than 2. Looney has more than 1-2. Rising Sons has their kids' birthdates on the website. Depending on how you define holdback they could have 2 or 5. Know nothing about Hawks.

Crabs with 4 reclassified shows you are clueless about 2020 team. 4 multiplied by 3. I know first hand FCA and Loonies only have 1-2 but Crabs parents feel better about their cheating by telling themselves all other teams have same number of hold backs. Go watch crab coaching staff a game against good competition. It's a mess on sideline. All you'll hear the whole time is " get the ball to blank or blank "... 2 oldest kids on the field.

No one is crying about this nor is anyone threaten by this, so you say, 4 holdbacks. Crabs had an one age 2020 team last summer at Vail and they were beaten badly. Crabs has more than 4 holdbacks, the Crabs organization leads most every age division with the most holdbacks, especially in 2020 and 2021. It is the way they game the system and it is the only way they can win. I have seen their 2020 team several times and I can tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 13 year old. When teams lose to Crabs they do not consider it a loss, they just simply realize how much Ryan M has cheated/gamed the system. I know by saying this the Crab faithful will come out yelling not true, we have very few hold backs blah blah blah. It is their defense posture to try and push attention away from them. You can't fool all the people all the time.

Define holdback? Dob before May 1st 2001 for 2020

They were beaten badly in the finals that is. By what is possible one of the best youth lacrosse teams ever. Funny they managed to get to the finals with their on age kids if they are so bad

They lost at Hershey too last summer not making it to the finals playing on age kids. There was no competition at World Series of Lacrosse with exception of Crush and a Crabs so no big accomplishment there. They won in OT at the Beach playing with their older kids during the semis to breakers and then by one to Crush in OT. Good team but not the best when you take away all the holdbacks. Everyone knows it. Who cares if they win the HoCo league or anything else-they have nobody's respect. Would rather my kid not win all the time yet have the respect of his peers.

Did u happen to see the teams they played in Denver? Not exactly the cream of crop. They played one REAL team and got destroyed. The same team they beat with 2019 players by one goal at beach lax. Sorry - crabs cheat/game they system and would be absolutely mediocre without playing kids who are 1 or 2 years older.