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Where was the name calling?
You really think the looneys coach is better??LOL

Some HoCo management personally believe in holdbacks and have relationships with the clubs who push it. Their kids are not the receiving end. They have the capability now with everyone in their league to affect change and they have the structure already in place to do age verification and cards as they do for football but they won't. The County Executive is not aware of any issue, or involved with, the lacrosse league.

Go watch a class act like manning. Maybe you can teach yourself or your son something. Besides. Fca owns Looneys in outdoor. It will continue this year. Do the math the last poster was correct. Rising sons and 91 will be lucky to win one game.

You clearly have not paid attention to your son's FCA Blue outdoor record against the above teams. You may do better this year given the number of kids you brought down from 2019, second only to Crabs in the number of older kids. I am sure your Christian based organization does not condone your being an a** on line. FCA will not come near Looneys this spring, they have lost several times to 91, and have consistently lost to Crabs and Hawks. Be happy your SON is in a competitive group where close games are going to be the norm and stop trying to stir things up. The boys all get along and do not care about all the nonsense you spout -just let them play.

Speaking of FCA - I saw them play at goals on Sunday. I guess they are trying to compete with Crabs and Looneys for the holdback crown. Sad how this game is getting ruined by teams that can't compete without gaming the system.

FCA is second only to Crabs with number of holdbacks

But they are both "winners". What a joke.

No they are not winners. Maybe in your mind they are but what they are---CHEATERS, plain and simple. They play and game the system well beyond the limits of any other club in the Md/DC/Va area. And the sad part, they know everyone knows what they are doing but they could care less, because they believe they are winners, just like your feeble mind believes. When others play them and lose they do not consider it a loss, mainly because of who they just played, Crabs or Fca. This year Crabs is mostly holdbacks with two double holdbacks, Fca has many holdbacks, they just brought down players from their 2019 team from last year. So keep believing you are a winner, but you are far from it, you are not even a decent individual.

I think you missed the quotes around winners LOL

You totally missed the sarcasm because you are so wound up. But thanks for your whole rant. Could not agree more. Hence, winners was in ". " and " what a joke" indicates the rest of us know they are a joke. Wow.

It is amazing how ill-informed the people are that post in this thread. The FCA players who were "brought down" played up. They are and always have been 2020's.

September 1, 2000 - August 31, 2001 birthday = 2019!

Doesn't matter is you repeated kindergarten, started school late, or repeated 8th grade, your kid is still a holdback. Goalie is a holdback! Don't know about the other 2019's who moved down.

Again, ill-informed. Goalie not a hold back.

Maybe some Howard County residents should write the County Executive and let him know what a mockery youth lacrosse has become. And Howard County shares a large portion of the blame.
Maybe the County would like the reputation of enabling only select kids to get an advantage in their youth sports.

Laughable defense of the FCA players. Not hard to distinguish a 13 year old from a 15 year old. Not to mention the numerous player who were wearing high school helmets.

FCA not a club that requires players to buy swag (helmets, gloves, practice unis, shooting shirts, bags, & sweats) in order to play. yes there are plenty of high school helmets. boys that have brothers playing or who have played for that high school, others who attend schools with middle school teams.

Howard County does not have barriers to participate in their lacrosse programs-they encourage participation to the diverse population they serve . Equipment is supplied to any player who can not afford it or does not want to buy it. Everyone is guaranteed a spot on a team based on playing ability. The cost is substantially less than any club in the area and the non club is even less. There are no holdbacks to gain an advantage because the hcpss does not allow holding back without a valid academic reason and the majority of players are hcpss students because they are residents. HOCo teams are placed in their proper league brackets with no favoritism because they know they do not share the same training advantages as the higher level clubs but you do not hear them whining. They have no desire to train all year round at all hours and anyone who does not like what the county offers or wants a higher level of training etc. pursue other clubs. The majority of Howard County residents are quite happy and realistic about what they are offered and have no reason to write the County Executive. It is the outsiders and private school attendees who perceive themselves as the "Lacrosse gurus" that are causing issues. And reality is they are the ones that origianlly broke the system and started manipulating the rules to their favor. If you would like to write or call the County Executive do it yourself as the HoCo community is not complaining about the hand they have been dealt by the elite Clubs.

Would agree with parts of this. As a whole, FCA Blue players are older than most 2020s- you do not need to hold back to be a player older than the norm for the age group. Summer birthdays are tricky and most would not consider birthdays from May to June purposely manipulating the rules. The best teams have several of these kids simply because in the youth years they tend to show better but it does even out. These are legitimate 2020 kids that were given a month or two due to maturity or learning issues etc-not for the malicious intent to be better. They are not pre first or repeating grades. In an age based league they would not qualify but when playing grade they really are 2020.

There is no reason to post DOBs for a grade based league by HoCo and the Executive is not going to get involved with fixing a system that the others broke. You all know what youth lacrosse is about and willingly let your kids play. I am sure the county has consulted with their legal department on this issue and since there are no age restrictions being noted as part of the rules, , and they are not claiming to monitor age, nor is it gross negligence given it is standard practice, there is no issue that you can keep threatening them with. Call the County Executive if you feel there is a valid issue that you do not believe is being addressed. You do not have to be a county resident to pick up a phone or write an email.

Starting school late made them 2020, they should be 2019. They aren't natural 2020 graduation year, they are manipulated 2020's. So much for integrity and morals from the Christian club.

Manipulated??? In Kindergarten??? You are an idiot and your kid deserves to be on a B team while his loser father complains and rationalizes why his son isn't as good as competition. Do you think these parents did a pre-first year to gain athletic advantage. It is pretty common in MD, not something that just started. If they repeated 8th grade, then I would have an issue.

Well under the rules you are correct but the correct thing for the kid who started a year late would be to play youth sports on the team with his age group. He will have the advantage the second he steps on the high school field. No need to use it the 5 years before you start your freshman year. At a sophomores age.

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Prefirst is a private school phenomena and any child who did a prefirst is at an advantage over legitimate grade players. It is an extra year of school regardless of how justified and when it occurred. And lets admit it, in Baltimore elite private school circles especially with legacy lacrosse families, this is exactly why pre first is done in addition to being a revenue source for the schools. The great majority of the country does not have this prefirst nonsense and whether you knew it or not, it was created to give private school kids an advantage in athletics and academics. There is no valid, historical educational purpose for it. Own it and move on.

According to who? Where is that a rule? You clearly have a huge issue with it for some reason but a summer birthday or a pre-first year does not make a 2020 a 2019. Tell your son's coach not to take kids born before 9/1 and to not play teams that have players born before 9/1/ Take a stand!

Go over to Crabs and see how many 8th grade repeaters are on their roster. This is the way they work the system and somehow they convenience the parents that this is best for their son. The two double holdbacks on their 2020 did the kindergarten for whatever reason, probably not for athletics, but you never know, but definitely repeated 8th grade for a hopeful athletic advantage. They work and game the system more than anyone, but it appears FCA may be a close second.

The Loonies/FCA box semi-final was just sad to watch. I am not a big fan of the Loonies - but older kids beating up on younger kids is just not right.

Looneys Green is not the same skill level regardless of age. They did not belong in that semi as they were one of the bottom half teams that simply advanced due to ease of schedule which is an inherent flaw in combining A with AA in a league. Other teams were more skilled that did not advance including RR who beat Looneys Green the week before and others they lost to or who they never played who were valid AA. Unfortunate for the kids on green but their coach could have acknowledged that they did not belong playing AA teams in the semis to avoid the embarrassment but he did not. This time age had nothing to do with it. They are a single A who chose to play double A team and lost. Simple as that.

it absolutely does, and kid born prior to September 1, 2001 should be a 2019. The parents chose to keep the child back a year. Staying back for school is one thing, but the kids should play on age level by birth not the grade level their parents want them at. You and other parents should stop playing older kids against younger kids, because a child can't handle their academics and gets left back doesn't mean they should then play against kids of his new grade level.

Looney's Green went 1 and 1 against RR in the box league, first game Green won by a goal and the second game RR won by 2, neither team dominated...both good games. The only team you could say was probably better than green who finished below them was 91.

What coach would tell their team they aren't good enough to play AA team? A good coach uses any loss as a teaching moment.

As far as the league is concerned, there were 14 teams in it. 10 of the 14 teams were "A", only four were true AA teams (Hawks, Looney Orange, FCA Blue, 91).

If a teachable moment, they should use it as one. You have people complaining about FCA beating green and how sad it was and trying to bring age into it -most likely a Looneys parent because 2020 were only ones there to see it. FCA could not have been expected to let the other team win. As to 91, they probably should have been in the semis but heard they chose to play Looneys Orange twice instead of playing green and had great competitive games with all the AAs. Their choice to ask for the most competitive games. Different strokes for different folks but none of this warrants picking on FCA for beating a single A green in the semis on their way to championship.

My son plays and has a post 9/1 birthday. I have never been concerned about the age of his teammates or his opponents. There is no rule and no cutoff date. If you feel so strongly about it, do something. Complaining about it anonymously on a message board is a waste of your time.

Why not a fan of Looney's? Just curious.

So if a kid has an july/aug 2001 birthday and is in 8th grade he shouldn't play this spring because you think he is a 2019. that makes a lot of sense

Perhaps you disadvantaged your child by not letting him attend a private school. If it means that much to you, buck up and send your son to Calvert Hall or Loyola

why didn't he start school on time?

"Manipulated??? In Kindergarten??? You are an idiot and your kid deserves to be on a B team while his loser father complains and rationalizes why his son isn't as good as competition. Do you think these parents did a pre-first year to gain athletic advantage. It is pretty common in MD, not something that just started. If they repeated 8th grade, then I would have an issue."

what is the difference between a child born 7/2001 who stayed back in kindergarten and a child born 7/2001 who stayed back in 8th grade? All things being equal with the kids athletically, there is no difference. Prefirst is a private school Maryland thing that all you think is fine since it is all you know! Yes! manipulated would be the correct term!

Perhaps you disadvantaged your child by not letting him attend a private school. If it means that much to you, buck up and send your son to Calvert Hall or Loyola[/quote]

You miss the point completely but not surprising. Private also does not equate to the best education and many more believe that capable kids do not need the private school to be successful in academics, athletics or life. Again get over yourself and move on. You give your kids an advantage and then try to defend it-not fooling anyone but do not pretend it does not exist. You make your choices about what you teach your kid, I will worry about mine. .

What exactly does Calvert Hall or Loyola offer that the top public schools in the state don't? Certainly not academics! Public schools in Howard and Hatford counties are far superior for the good student than any of these private schools.

Bitmore will beat all the teams in AA. Yeah, we are that good!

Always nice to see Loonies lose - especially back to back.