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Suffolk too - not always because the team is that good. More like the fact that just about anybody can give a verbal, doesn't mean they are one of the best players. Commits who barely see the field at mediocre programs.

Sounds to me like someone is jealous. "Just about anybody can give a verbal", really? I don't think that you have any idea how the recruiting process works. I will say that not all kids that are committed to play in college are equal. College programs are not equal either. There is a big difference between a top 10 - 20 D1 program and a middle of the road D1 program or any DII or DIII program (there are some very good players everywhere but they are the exception).

Try calling a top 20 coach and saying "hey, my daughter wants to commit. I heard that you will commit just about anybody". Let us know how that goes.

The top programs recruit the top players. That is how they stay at the top.
After the top players commit the top programs look to fill their slots with the next tier of player and on and on it goes.

The next tier programs do not lock up many of the top recruits, especially early. For example, Villanova, George Washiton, Binghamton, Quinnipiac, Lafayette etc... do not compete with North Carolina, Maryland, Virginia, Northwestern, Duke, Syracuse etc... for the "Top Recruits".

If you would like to know where your daughter stands ask yourself the following questions:

In relation to others from around the country in the same grad year, When Did She Start Getting Recruited?

What schools "identified her and actively pursued and recruited her"? (what schools made offers)

When was an offer made, what was the offer and what caliber school made the offer?

Big difference between a kid who is recruited early and offered significant package by top 10 teams and a kid recruited by a mid tier program later in the process. There is eve a big difference in the top recruit at Maryland and the girl given the last spot in the same recruiting class.

Sounds to me like someone is jealous. "Just about anybody can give a verbal", really? I don't think that you have any idea how the recruiting process works. I will say that not all kids that are committed to play in college are equal. College programs are not equal either. There is a big difference between a top 10 - 20 D1 program and a middle of the road D1 program or any DII or DIII program (there are some very good players everywhere but they are the exception).

Try calling a top 20 coach and saying "hey, my daughter wants to commit. I heard that you will commit just about anybody". Let us know how that goes.

The top programs recruit the top players. That is how they stay at the top.
After the top players commit the top programs look to fill their slots with the next tier of player and on and on it goes.

The next tier programs do not lock up many of the top recruits, especially early. For example, Villanova, George Washiton, Binghamton, Quinnipiac, Lafayette etc... do not compete with North Carolina, Maryland, Virginia, Northwestern, Duke, Syracuse etc... for the "Top Recruits".

If you would like to know where your daughter stands ask yourself the following questions:

In relation to others from around the country in the same grad year, When Did She Start Getting Recruited?

What schools "identified her and actively pursued and recruited her"? (what schools made offers)

When was an offer made, what was the offer and what caliber school made the offer?

Big difference between a kid who is recruited early and offered significant package by top 10 teams and a kid recruited by a mid tier program later in the process. There is eve a big difference in the top recruit at Maryland and the girl given the last spot in the same recruiting class.

What's wrong with going to quinnipiac Lafayette? You people are so hung up on having your kid on one of the top program rosters. You need to look at the big picture. What do they want and how much playing time will she get. My daughter wants Drexal because of their culinary program. I don't give a rats [lacrosse] about top lacrosse schools. She needs to be happy. But I forgot most people living through their kid.

should an athlete take a DII significant offer over a DI low offer? Undecided major, wants the NYC location, first time away from home. Thanks

should an athlete take a DII significant offer over a DI low offer? Undecided major, wants the NYC location, first time away from home. Thanks

And kellenberg

I know you don't want to mention schools, but is there a big difference in academic reputation? If the money isn't make or break financially for you, I would go with the better academic school. Possible to name schools? From my point of view in the business world, many of the D2 schools don't hold up academically unless there is a specific program (nursing for example) where the school has a good reputation. Assume D1 school is not Columbia since they offer no academic money (and don't have a boy's program). I don't think D1 vs. D2 is the right dimension to think about this. I think it's which education can open more doors for your child in the future along with all the usual fit questions.

Thank you for your responses. Here is some more info: Adelphi/Mercy/Pace/Molloy have offered significant money and Pace/Mercy have new programs as well as fields and dorms. Coaches have been outstanding, and education based on students who attended are very good. Hofstra did not offer much but is DI, although the area looked scary and the coach was just ok. As far as education it seems ok, appears to be declining in recent years. Also dorms were very outdated. No interest in summer coaching, internship in NYC already lined up.

Hofstra is definitely the most expensive but has the highest entry requirements. Then its Adelphi, Molloy, Pace and in last by a high margin is Mercy. It sounds like lacrosse might be swaying you to the 2 weakest schools.

Adelphi is always in the hunt for the D2 national championship while Hofstra is a top 50 D1 program. It really depends on what your kid wants academically, financially and athletically.

I am guessing your son could go to Molloy and Mercy for almost free, Adelphi and Pace would be in the middle and D1 Hofstra would still be the most expensive. If its not Hofstra I would go Adelphi, Molloy, Pace and then Mercy. Lacrosse level and acadmics line up in the same sequence.

I think that advice has a LI slant to it. I think Pace is an excellent choice in this scenario. They have excellent business programs and connections in Westchester and NYC. They also have a vast amount of majors (Hofstra has more). I believe Pace graduation salaries are high than the LI's for one. Admittance might be slightly harder in the LI schools but end game is salary when you graduate

Pace Adelphi Hofstra Mercy (Molloy depends what you want)

Pace is a big business school but they let in kids starting with a 900 sat score. If your kid wants business in NYC area there are a ton of better academic choices. Sounds like the only reason they are being considered is because of lacrosse and in most cases if you are picking based on a sport its the wrong choice unless its an elite program. We have lived it....good luck!!

Hate to break it to you, but you can get into Michigan with 2.7 and 900 on SAT as recruited Lax player. Much lower for Football and BBall.

Any projections on how massapequa will do this year?

They will be down, Syosset should easily win county

Huge difference. A stupid kid can get into a great college if they are athletically gifted (just watch final 4 press conferences). A regular student needs a 1300 for Michigan. But why in the world would a gifted athlete want to go to a school beneath them like Pace?

Athletics should get the athlete into a stretch school in a perfect world

Why would anyone want to attend the 25th best national university in the country in Ann arbor with some of the best athletics across all sports vs going to Pace at #192 and getting in a minivan from downtown Manhatten to travel to Westchester to play. Although Pace is connected in NYC I'm pretty sure a Michigan graduate gets the same job

We are actually headed back after visiting the schools. I know this may not be the popular answer and although no decision has been made Mercy is at the top of the list. The business program is amazing, and the vibe of this new school was very energetic. Gorgeous campus and beautiful safe town, train takes you from campus to grand central station. Pace was very nice as well and second choice at this point. As a parent I of course like the safest place and I see real potential in the school. 2 more schools to see in Jersey. Thanks for the interesting opinions, greatly appreciated

Why would anyone want to attend the 25th best national university in the country in Ann arbor with some of the best athletics across all sports vs going to Pace at #192 and getting in a minivan from downtown Manhatten to travel to Westchester to play. Although Pace is connected in NYC I'm pretty sure a Michigan graduate gets the same job

It's one thing to be "let into" MIchigan, it's entirely another to get out! That has to be earned in the classroom. The average kid non-athlete getting into that school has a 95-98 GPA and 2000+ sats.... If your kid is substantially below that, he will not survive academically.

Not true ... I have a son who was a 80-85 high school student w 1800s. He went to a top 25 school and is doing just fine. There is a lot of support at these schools, and it is a lot harder getting in to these places than staying there. Not to mention that some kids mature academically later in terms of effort, time management etc. Certainly something to think about, but it is nowhere near as extreme as your post implies.

Finally some sanity. I cant believe some nice schools like Mercy, Molloy and Pace are being compared to some of the top schools in the country. The other post was right look to Columbia, Fordham and Baruch if you wanta business school in the city

I would rather kill myself, then read this topic anymore.

I would rather kill myself, then read this topic anymore.

Not true ... I have a son who was a 80-85 high school student w 1800s. He went to a top 25 school and is doing just fine. There is a lot of support at these schools, and it is a lot harder getting in to these places than staying there. Not to mention that some kids mature academically later in terms of effort, time management etc. Certainly something to think about, but it is nowhere near as extreme as your post implies.

Sure he is...

Did Sayville ever fill the Varsity coaching vacancy? That was one heck of a cluster and dominated this board for two months. Rocky Point guy, just wondering who we'll be facing this year. Thanks.