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My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.

Let me ask a question if you think they are "not that good" 2015 team, which of course they are, why did you try out in the first place? In this poor economy, that seems silly to try out for a team your not even interested in!

My daughter is a 2015 player that tried out for Top Guns. She is a very good player, better than the girls that are on the top guns black team in the same position. A few months after try outs at a high school practice an older T.G. player that is close to the smith family told her that she had no chance of making that squad because the roster was already in place weeks before. I don't mind a team that secures spots for girls, most teams do. I do mind taking money from families in a bad economy that have no chance of making the team thats just dishonest. Quite frankly the team isn't that good , and she is quite happy where she is/was and wouldn't have played for them anyway. If they want to be like the Wave than just say so and stop taking peoples hard earned money and post on the site that the squad is set unless someone drops out. I also have to disagree with the statement that the the coaches that were Y.J's got to there level because of the Y.J's. They got there through hard work and practice. not because of the jersey on there back 2 months a year. Anyway good luck to you beating up B level talent.

Let's see if we all understand...
1- The team is not that good.
2- Your superstar wasn't going to play even is selected post tryout.
3- it's a tough economy.

These are your words right?

Then why try out? Why spend your hard earned money in this tough economy? Why try out for a team that is not that good?

Just trying to understand your point that's all. Would you rather all the clubs have free tryouts so folks like you (who have no intention of playing anyway...your words) can waste everyone's time?
Just wondering...

And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING

Your talking about wasting peoples time? Your daughter must be one of those scary talents tearing up the "B" division on 2015 black, you know the ones I'm talking about , the ones that knew pre try out that there spot was secure. It seems you should be thanking me for supplementing your scary talented team. Lets just say that curiosity got the best of my daughter and she wanted to see if the grass was greener. It took her less than a minuet after try outs to tell me 2 things. 1 these girls, with a few exceptions, are not as good as her previous years team. 2 the roster was all ready set, it was that obvious to anyone that knows the game. so it seems that the only people that wasted other peoples time was Shannon Smith, and Steve levy. And lastly you must be a house frau if you don't know that it's a bad economy. No offense, I'm just trying to understand how some one doesn't understand that.

Um sorry you are so short sighted and still didn't answer the question, why did you tryout if you didn't want to play on the team?? Obviously you must have thought they were good to tryout and guess what ? We have never played 91 or fl$ so get your facts straight .

Your talking about wasting peoples time? Your daughter must be one of those scary talents tearing up the "B" division on 2015 black, you know the ones I'm talking about , the ones that knew pre try out that there spot was secure. It seems you should be thanking me for supplementing your scary talented team. Lets just say that curiosity got the best of my daughter and she wanted to see if the grass was greener. It took her less than a minuet after try outs to tell me 2 things. 1 these girls, with a few exceptions, are not as good as her previous years team. 2 the roster was all ready set, it was that obvious to anyone that knows the game. so it seems that the only people that wasted other peoples time was Shannon Smith, and Steve levy. And lastly you must be a house frau if you don't know that it's a bad economy. No offense, I'm just trying to understand how some one doesn't understand that.

And by the way, the winner of the 2015 bracket at the National Draw came from the "D" division. Shows you what the meaning of the order of divisions were-NOTHING

you are truly an arrogant simpleminded person. If you would have calmed down enough to comprehend the posts I mad you would have read that my daughter had heard that T.G was a decent team so she went to try outs as did many Y.J. 91 and express girls did , you are the new kids on the block so people were interested in seeing what you were about. You seem t think that all these girls were cut, closer to the truth is that Shannon and Steve all ready had the rosters set, including who would be dropped to purple , and who would take there place on black. the try out was a sham. Unfortunately most parents weren't in on the ruse , or I'm sure they , like me , would not have wasted our time . I know many girls on both 2014 teams , and both 2015 teams, some are very good , and some are not. I assume your daughter was one of the greased in players and that why your so offended. As to the poster that wrote post # 14195, if there are teams that have free try outs for the "marginal players" as you put it, I wouldn't know . My daughter went to 2 try outs your sham , and the team shes on. As far as MD playing in a "D" bracket, that tournament was set up differently than the IWLCA in PA. . that was set up for "A" teams to play "A" team , and "B" teams to play "B" teams. thats why in PA. there were multiple champions per age group, and at national draw there was only 1 over all champion. Now take your meds, and learn the difference.

Who cares...your past posts prove you are a clueless, nonsensical loser. Lets not pay attention to annoying fleas like this. Go back to your own teams site...probably booted off by your own team.

I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

All you people do is deny the truth. You are a "B" level club at best. No I was never shoved in a locker, Yes I did play the game in high school as well as college. My daughter plays on a team where try outs mean you have to play well or your cut, you don't get on this team because daddys the coach, or because your a friend of daddys little girl. I would love to meet you on the field when our daughters play , but your team is not good enough to compete against my daughters team . See you in Virginia, I'll bring the towel for you to cry into.

Still why is it that your teams pick to play in the less competitive divisions when possible. I will be the first to admit that your club has grown faster then most expected but your teams need to place themselves into the A divisions if you want to keep comparing yourselves to the other top programs.It also seems politics plays a large factor on the make-up of many of your teams which is unfortunate because with the club being so new it really could have set you apart from the other organizations

He is talking about the tournament in new jersey, where top guns specifically entered into the B division. You really need to get a clue on how the brackets work, you will NEVER see the 4-6 best teams at any tournament in the same bracket, they are mixed throughout the various brackets in the hopes that the best teams will eventually meet in the playoffs, otherwise those 15-1 games that you moan about will be in the playoffs instead of in bracket play. if you still don't understand the concept perhaps you should speak with your coach or one of the directors of your club annd maybe they can educate you a little - stop embarrassing yourself with this non-sense

Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!

Wow, if that isnt backhanded what is.

I have not forrayed the girls travel landscape as I have a few years, but really, if you wanted to get a realistic comment from a parent on the team, I am not sure if that is the best Post to do so.

Talk about blending the pot. I think these girls travels are far worse than the boys!!!

That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.

I, and my daughter, are very happy at TG. As is documented elsewhere on this site, we were with /another club/ for a few years and it wasn't a good match. My personal opinion and experience is to steer yourselves toward clubs that coach girls primarily, not girls as a sideline to boys. IME, the girls are the [lacrosse] stepchildren in those clubs.

What I like about TG: that we do play a lot of tournaments. If you want to be seen you have to be out there. I don't think the tournament schedule is excessive, it's what I expect. YMMV depending on your goals, finances, family situation.

We are very happy with coaching. My kid is getting some great coaching this year, way more so than in HS and in prior club experience. Very happy with quality of other players. Very happy with club culture and other parents.

The thing is every age group is diffierent within clubs, so what's great in one year might not be the same as another year. It's really tough to shop around because there are tryout fees and the timing of tryouts/commitments expected. I asked around and I got lucky finding a match. So that's my advice, talk to people in your daughter's age group. Wander around at tournaments, everyone at tournaments is happy to answer questions so just go and schmooze and see what you find out.

My daughter tried out for 3 travel programs on the island. She made the top teams on all three, with a lot of research we chose the top guns. It was the best decision we could have made. Her coaches are great, Shannon is awesome with all the girls, the organization in general is good. Like i said this is are first year with the top guns, and so far it has been a great summer for mr daughter.

That made no sense at all, so I will try to answer for you. The problem with the North Western girls basically ended this year because Shannon graduated this year, and from what I understand , shes going to go to Hofstra to finish her degree, so she will be around all the time. I am a parent from a rival club, so all I know is what I have heard and experienced from going to there try outs, and is solely my opinion. My daughter is a top tier player playing on a top clubs "A" team and on a varsity high school team so I have been doing this for a long time and will try to be honest. T.G. is an up and coming club that stands to get much better in a hurry now with Shannon being home full time. They are less aggressive than Y.J, but more so than Liberty. Being a girls only club your daughter will be the most important thing unlike 91 or Express. They are kind of cliquy and seem to hold on to players that have close ties to cretin people involved with the club even though better players show up to try outs. They have made changes this year dropping some girls to lower teams, and taking on new girls (Powderfinger calm down I said I would try to be fair and your daughter deserves to be one of those girls,) but it is rare that a girl with no ties gets accepted, no matter how good she is, at least in the higher grades. Your daughter being young will fare well if she gets in now.

Thanks for your opinion, which seems very honest, and well thought out, from someone who's been involved in travel for a while. I'm hoping to also hear from some TG parents themselves, but your answer was also very helpful. At the very least, I think we'll tryout for the TG 2017. Good luck with your daughter going forward.