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Here is a scenario that probably played out down in Florida. You're a college scout coming to see a girl on a team from Philly. The only opportunity to see her is when she plays YJ because you have numerous girls to look at over the next 48 hours. You've got your spot on the sidelines with the rest of the coaches and in the next 45 minutes you watch the girl you've come to see get dominated by an entire team of top D1 commits. Her teammates are crushed as well. Now you look around and notice that most of the girls on the field have green arm bands on. The subs coming in all have green arm bands on also. Now the girl might be a good player but she never got a chance to do anything because she just played an all star team that had no reason to be there. Now that girls 45 minutes are up. The scout learned nothing about the player because they barely had the ball in a 17-4 blowout.

I think the coaches want to see how the uncommitted players match up against the committed players. The committed players represent future college players.

Also, I think it shows team spirit if all the players attend the showcase tournaments !

Maybe just maybe the kids have worked so hard over the years and love playing together and the parents can afford to take them either as a reward for all the hard work or as a mini "working" vacation for the family. Why does everything have to be so negative?

I think the coaches want to see how the uncommitted players match up against the committed players. The committed players represent future college players.

Also, I think it shows team spirit if all the players attend the showcase tournaments !

Here is a scenario that probably played out down in Florida. You're a college scout coming to see a girl on a team from Philly. The only opportunity to see her is when she plays YJ because you have numerous girls to look at over the next 48 hours. You've got your spot on the sidelines with the rest of the coaches and in the next 45 minutes you watch the girl you've come to see get dominated by an entire team of top D1 commits. Her teammates are crushed as well. Now you look around and notice that most of the girls on the field have green arm bands on. The subs coming in all have green arm bands on also. Now the girl might be a good player but she never got a chance to do anything because she just played an all star team that had no reason to be there. Now that girls 45 minutes are up. The scout learned nothing about the player because they barely had the ball in a 17-4 blowout.

Unfortunately, it goes both ways. If she had played a bunch of scrubs and dominated, the same coach would be saying "Wow, she looked great, but I wonder if she can hang with D1 level competition." That's what he cares about.

There's a big difference between scrubs and a full team of D1 commits. This was a recruiting tournament. Why bring a team that has been recruited and committed already?

For all the reasons listed above. Sorry your daughter couldn't keep up.

What's the story about this coach k All I hear are bad things no one says bad things about other coaches it seems like if u r smart u will stay away from team elevate and coach k

Elevate, and I hate to say it, is no different than any other money worshipping travel lax program...Dave does have best social media and his ability to pat himself on the back every chance he gets is amazing--try to find a picture anywhere where his melon isn't in the picture--its all about the kids, right DK?..but they are all the same and money rules the roost...hey, if you were a director like DK, wouldn't you take every free trip you could that was paid for by the parents?..Florida in November sounds good to me--especially when its on someone else's dime...

It's remarkable to me how people spend so much time and energy bashing Dave Kotowski when they really don't know what they're talking about. It always seems like sour grapes to me and only shows that Dave and Elevate are a force to be reckoned with. Is a travel lacrosse director not allowed to make a living? Dave works tirelessly about 8 days a week and deserves to earn money. You constant bashers just sound ridiculous. How does Dave garner free trips exactly? I have been to Florida in November with Dave and you know what he's doing? He's speaking with hundreds of college coaches every day (I know you say he and his daughter have no relationships with college coaches- that is laughable), he is attending every game and coaching every team that he reasonably can, he is arranging for his players and their families to spend time together and have fun, he is fielding calls from coaches, and in many cases (I have seen it numerous times), he is walking off the field with an offer from a coach for one or more players each day he is there. Is Florida in November nice? It sure is when you are an Elevate player and you are in the company of Dave Kotowski. Whoever you are, sitting at home trying to tarnish Dave's reputation, keep it up. You are likely a bitter parent, or a competitor. Dave must be doing something right to have you so interested in him. He is busy working and building Elevate so he doesn't have the time to respond to your BS.

I have no axe to gring with DK or Elevate.. but I have never heard of a college coach making an offer to the club director at a tournanment... anyone else beleive that??

It's remarkable to me how people spend so much time and energy bashing Dave Kotowski when they really don't know what they're talking about. It always seems like sour grapes to me and only shows that Dave and Elevate are a force to be reckoned with. Is a travel lacrosse director not allowed to make a living? Dave works tirelessly about 8 days a week and deserves to earn money. You constant bashers just sound ridiculous. How does Dave garner free trips exactly? I have been to Florida in November with Dave and you know what he's doing? He's speaking with hundreds of college coaches every day (I know you say he and his daughter have no relationships with college coaches- that is laughable), he is attending every game and coaching every team that he reasonably can, he is arranging for his players and their families to spend time together and have fun, he is fielding calls from coaches, and in many cases (I have seen it numerous times), he is walking off the field with an offer from a coach for one or more players each day he is there. Is Florida in November nice? It sure is when you are an Elevate player and you are in the company of Dave Kotowski. Whoever you are, sitting at home trying to tarnish Dave's reputation, keep it up. You are likely a bitter parent, or a competitor. Dave must be doing something right to have you so interested in him. He is busy working and building Elevate so he doesn't have the time to respond to your BS.

The 26 2018 blue players might agree with you but the 12 girls left on red might disagree. If he's walking off the field with multiple offers from coaches then who's getting them? Only 3 commits for 2018 so far.

And with DK there's a good chance you'll just get a buch of BS all designed to serve him and his few friends.

Know what? There are plenty of other clubs out there - move on. I never really understood that - the energy people spend 'itch and griping on this site...
Vote with your feet people!

I think it was intended as a public service announcement 😜

I have no axe to gring with DK or Elevate.. but I have never heard of a college coach making an offer to the club director at a tournanment... anyone else beleive that??

Agree, that is total b.s. and kills any credibility of the post. The may tell a tell club they plan on offering a kid, but not giving them an offer directly.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but my daughter walked off the field at the President's Cup and was offered a D1 spot, as were several of her teammates. This does not mean the coaches hadn't been watching these girls already- coaches see girls play several times. But that is what happened. Absolutely true.

What rules? The NCAA rules mean nothing. They are a sham. Back door recruiting is the norm and how to get around the "rules" is the game.
Have not heard of one coach/program reprimanded or taken to task by the NCAA even though it is public knowledge when a young girl commits to a program before the coaches are even permitted to contact them.

No kidding, there's early recruiting going on? And indirect communication through intermediaries? WOW. Thanks for that insight. This person claims that their daughter walked off the field at the President's Cup and was offered a spot by a coach right there on the side of the field. A coach going up to a girl AT A TOURNAMENT and offering her a spot is simply not done. It is a clear violation, and one that coaches avoid. There is no way a girl walks off the field at the President's Cup and a coach approaches her and offers her a spot complete w scholarship amount etc. Through an intermediary, ok, but not directly to the girl at the tournament.

Most D1 coaches are only making around 40 grand until you crack the top 10 so I am sure everyone is bending the rules trying to put up some great records to move up from their 75th ranked team

Dude.. your High..

this arguement is stupid.. Coaches do not make contact or make offers to players at tournaments, College coaches do not make offer to Club Directors at tournaments... they will express interest/love/possibilities/ about a player to a club director and ask the player to call thier office on a certain day and time..

Dave k is definitely not a winner

The process is dirty and the kids are too young that's a fact.

What is dirty about it?

Coaches watch kids play, they like who they like and they recruit them.

If they like the kid enough they make an offer.

Nothing dirty

Early? Yes. Too early? maybe. Wrong? I don't know. It's right for some. Dirty? I don't think so.

How can it ever be right for a 13 year old? Maybe right for dad but the kids aren't ready