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What tourney and scores?

Saw the score box at booth they actually did play in yale championship . They bumped out outlaws black for first place on goals against . They played Bronxville 7/8th grade team and it was tied . Don't know the reason why it did not have a Braveheart being it was a championship but kudos to empire.



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Prime time 2021 plays a kid who lives in Florida and flies in for tournaments? As a parent I would not be happy if my son lost playing time to a ringer who just shows up for tournaments.

Florida kid is true, but he is originally from the Hudson Valley area and played with us last season and no one complained. Unbelievable when we lost to Express & Avalanche last season no complaints. Give PT credit they worked hard and got better talent and now are the beast of Westchester/Connecticut. Good for them

what tournament? Scores?

Eclipse 2021 is a strong team. Lost to icon today 5-4 in the championship round at a Maryland tournament. These two teams had beaten the crabs and edge in the playoffs to get to the finals. Eclipse had also beaten icon earlier in the day. Primetime and eclipse will definitely challenge Long Island for spots at the World Series tournament.

DIVISION ROUND TEAM 2 SCORE TEAM 3 SCORE TIME FIELD
2021 1 Crabs 2021 11 Red Freedom LC 1 8:00 AM 1
2021 1 Edge Lacrosse 11 Lax Factory 3 8:00 AM 2
2021 1 LA Heat 21/22 1 Leading Edge 8 8:00 AM 3
2021 1 Madlax - Capital 1 Icon Lacrosse 8 8:00 AM 4
2021 1 VLC 1 Eclipse 2021 8 8:00 AM 5
2021 1 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 7 Legacy Greyhounds 8 8:00
2021 2 Crabs 2021 14 LA Heat 21/22 0 9:40 AM 2
2021 2 Red Freedom LC 6 Lax Factory 4 9:40 AM 3
2021 2 Edge Lacrosse 6 Leading Edge 4 9:40 AM 4
2021 2 Madlax - Capital 7 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 4 9:40 AM
2021 2 VLC 2 Legacy Greyhounds 3 9:40 AM 6
2021 2 Icon Lacrosse 4 Eclipse 2021 7 9:40 AM 7
2021 3 Crabs 2021 7 Edge Lacrosse 3 11:20 AM 6
2021 3 Red Freedom LC 11 LA Heat 21/22 3 11:20 AM 5
2021 3 Lax Factory 3 Leading Edge 9 11:20 AM 4
2021 3 Madlax - Capital 5 VLC 3 12:10 PM 2
2021 3 Icon Lacrosse 9 Harvest Lacrosse Academy 4 12:10 PM 3
2021 3 Eclipse 2021 15 Legacy Greyhounds 1 12:10 PM 4
2021 Semifinal Red Division Winner - Crabs 2021 2 Yellow

Division Winner- Icon Lacrosse - 4 Crabs - 2
2021 Semifinal Blue Division Winner- Edge Lacrosse 3 Green Division Winner- Eclipse-7 / Edge-3
2021 Final Red/Yellow Winner-

Championship
Icon Lacrosse 5 Blue/Green Winner- Eclipse 2021 4

Prime time will have to compete for Wsyl spot without the kid from Florida. 99 mile limit imposed.

Excuse me, but pay attention. They played in A, beat Express North, and gave Primetime the only competition for the day. They are gelling, and will only get better. Know what you're talking about.

What do folks think of the apparent trend of 2020 teams (not just Crush this past Summer) playing up to 2019 for recruiting events this Fall?

Is this a meaningless blip or are we seeing the first signs of recruiting moving even 6-12 months earlier?

A meaningless blip on a 2021 page

If Prime Time has older kids on their team, how are they permitted to play in the 2021 division?

Have a son who plays on the Legacy team which is not very strong but he enjoys the experience. Does not have the ability to play on the higher teams and I am very happy watching him enjoy the game a being part of a team meeting new kids etc. With that being said I had a friend who has a son play on the Eclipse team ( which blew us out) so I stayed to watch the two semi final and final games in MD. The three teams Eclipse, Icon and Crabs are top teams ( Edge team not at their level). The few things I took from this were, What are they feeding the kids in MD, the size of these 12 year old 7th graders was amazing as well as a number of the kids from Conn. I was kidding with my friend and really did get a answer as to the age and grade of a few of them. The Icon team looked like true 7th graders but played like older kids. Was told Eclipse beat them in them first by winning a number of F/O but that was not the case in finals, two good teams and Icon pulled it out in the end on a goal in the last second, very exciting I'm sure for those kids. They were the best lacrosse players, Crabs were just bigger at this point, never saw so many hairy leg 7th graders before on one team, I think my son's team has 1 or maybe 2. One of the best things I heard before the final game was the coaching from Icon telling the kids that they don't care if they win the game but to play hard as they thought they did not first time they play the Conn team
get better and enjoy the game. They moved the ball better than every team there and it was fun to watch, got home just in time to watch the Giants blew it. Congrats to both the Icon team and Eclipse team, no dirty play during the game, no bad mouthing in the stands and refs let them play and a great end of the game.

Crabs were bigger because they are absolutely older. Wont be same roster for WSYL events - assuming Crabs engage - likely will - since they reached finals with 2020 group. The entire roster is 2021 - no doubt - just a question of age. In a Grade Based Event - no rules being violated, but there are some 2001 birth dates on that squad.

So we are clear there are 14 03s on the edge team. That is a 2022 team I think.

Crabs 2021 absolutely has older kids on that team. Verified by a team parent on sideline. Said they have 5 or 6 older kids 2 of which are closer to to 15 than 14. Said they don't think they are even attempting WSYL because they'll not have the players to compete.

14-15 year olds competing with 12 year olds. Somehow those parents and coaches think that's ok?

Still can't win their own tournament with the older kids.

We can all go crazy arguing about the age of the kids. I'm not stating that PT had kids that weren't in 7th grade. what I'm suggesting is that for one reason or another some of their 7th graders may be closer to 13/14 rather than 12/13. Could be anything from an intentional holdback heading into kindergarten, holdback in 7th grade because of private school, holdback because their dumb. Who knows why but the fact is that if you've watched enough lacrosse (and most here have) you know what a "real" 7th grader looks like when they play. And for the kids that are clearly older it is glaring. It's not just that they are taller but that their entire body mechanics have shifted from that of little athletic boys to that of physically maturing young men. And if you happen to catch a glimpse of them with their helmets off you can just see that they are older especially when compared to their teammates that are "real" 7th graders. But unless lax goes age based that's just the way it goes and it's probably most difficult for 7th and 8th graders because that for many is a clear pre/post puberty age. You can have a highly talented 12 year old but put that kid against a highly talented 14 year old and it's game over. Everyone should stop complaining and live with it. If your son is good at 12 but not yet developed he'll be good at 14 when he puts on some bulk. The fact that his age will prevent him from playing on some AA team? Who cares. If he's good, they will find him.

Because they are in 7th grade. Duh

I spoke to an Edge dad and he said in Canada it is age only not grade. edge is a good team but not a top ten. Crabs were big but played soft the total opposite of Icon. That is the biggest reason Icon won they out worked Crabs and Eclipse.

I'm sure most Long Island Parents would rather play these teams from other states with the older kids to have competitive games. However it is frustrating when they pound their chest with a one goal win and deny what everyone knows. The truth is they need to send their 14 year olds to play against Long Island teams to compete.

icon is making a statement that they are one of the best if not the best on LI

No, that's the birth year for True 2021's on Long Island.

Has Icon ever beaten Igloo or 91 for that matter?

I heard they only have 20 practices all year.

They beat everyone this past weekend at their first tournament with few practices. These other teams have been playing all fall. Imagine if this icon team played as much of the others. Any time a team shows they are getting better and could challenge express, igloo or 91 someone has to put them down.

Icon wins a tournament with only a few practices. The next Crush!!!

Nope, Crush practices a lot! No team out works them!

To Each, his Own.

The Edge program registers all of their teams down a year, its the program policy. They claim all of the players will be doing a PG year. Its a BS policy but again, its up to tournament directors to accept the teams registration.

They also lost to Eclipse 7-4. Icon is a very strong team but in regards to a tournament like WSYL size would be a big disadvantage over a 5-6 game span. Icon is definitely a very strong team but there were rumblings that 91 picked up many new strong players and is the equal to Black Ice.

DeTomasso is never out coached. Let's be honest in youth sports Coaching plays a huge part of it. Icon will always play hard and be in games to the end.

Icon started off slow on the game they lost, they started coming back but there wasnt enough time on the clock. I think the key point on this is that they fought hard to the very end when the game counted and won it with 5 seconds left. Also keep in mind, that was their 5th game of the day, last two games against kids much larger than them in size. It appears they can hang playing 5-6 games in a row, against kids larger in size and will fight until the end of the games. They have added some new and returning kids to their roster this year, will be a strong team.

I've seen a number of the better teams play now after being in Md this weekend. Igloo is the best team, Crabs are very good, Eclipse was better than I thought, have not really seen 91 this year and last year thought they were a little overrated, Express hard to tell as they bring in kids from other teams and places so really don't know who is on that team, Icon pretty much has the same main kids who are just flat out good lacrosse players. Icon I never hear of them trying to recruit kids, take kids from other teams, take year older kids who may be in the grade higher, just see them as a much classer team and when I saw the two coach's on their sidelines I see why, they just would not do those things. Just coach and teach the kids the right way to do things. When I saw a kid who played for Igloo last year now playing on the 2020 Legacy team that is just cheating last year no way around it, he was in the grade above, if there are teams with late 2002 birthrates and are in the class of 2021 that is fine, when they are not in that grade that is wrong no two-ways around that, don't think or know if eclipse does that don't think so as their coach is a former respected lacrosse player they may have some late 2002 birthdays which is fine but I'm sure now class of 2020 kids. If kids are 2001 birthdates and still in the class of 2021 then the parents need to be examined. The Icon team may not be the best team and while they are really good, Igloo seems better but if I had a kid in the grade and they wanted to be taught the right way to play you should have him on that team. Any college coach and I can't see every coach in the country taking their calls over every other team in the 2021 class. Very organized team that does over do it by playing limited fall schedule as these kids should be playing football, soccer basketball first in the fall and winter and the lacrosse in the spring. Down in Md I was hearing that some of these teams are playing in 3-4 tourneys for what? so the organizations can take more money from you. What I would like to see someone post the costs of each team, I bet Icon is towards the bottom in costs and the return is so much more. So Igloo, Crabs, 91, express keep paying those owners and keep winning tourneys so their 4-5 tops kids get everything and not learn about lacrosse, which my kid had the talent to play at those top level teams and there would not be any other team for hi to play on. Don't care who wins, find me a college coach who cares who wins any 2021 tourney over who are good smart lacrosse players and good kids. Icon you guys were fun to watch over the past weekend keep doing what you are doing and don't worry if you loss to some of these other teams.

Congrats to Ambush. Three wins all fall. Please stop you sound silly at this point.

At least they have the guts to move up and take a beating. They crushed every team in the B bracket, and went to the finals in an A bracket last summer. I would much rather get beat as a A and learn, than get a stupid T Shirt in a B. Many a team has dropped down to B just for that reason.

Equal to Black Ice is not saying that much since their performance this year has not been that dominating with the core kids still there. Listen 91 is a good club and BS knows how to build a defense but that is all they will ever have.

Another 91 parent trying to stir conversation and frankly they don't deserve to be mentioned in the same conversation. What have they proved? Play some tough 2021 AA games and stop running off to NJ to play 2020 B Teams. Is this so we pay the fee in hopes to see them at LaxFest again and then cross our fingers it doesn't rain?

I put them 5th behind Icon, Igloo, Crabs, and Express (No Such Order)

Happy Thanksgiving!!

Ambush will turn it around when Berry gets full control. That has been the intention all along. You get so many years to make a team work , after no success even a director will have no choice but to implement a new leader.

Heat was not impressive in PA this weekend. Bunch of close games against 2020 B teams. I have seen all the top four Long Island teams this year and 91 is number four. Express and Icon has past them. They would all beat each other if they play enough times but Express and icon would beat them more often. Sad to say but Express with guest players may be two and icon three behind black ice but ahead of 91.