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Nonsense. This constant moaning about "guest" players centers on one kid who, while admittedly very good, is far from the reason this team is so strong. Whining about this one player does a total disservice to the rest of the team, which has talented kids who play their [lacrosse] off. BTW this kid wants to play Icon with his buddies but will stay with Express.

what are you talking about two guest players? from what i know there was only 1 and he's from an express family already and will play with them in the fall. dominating guest players???

Who cares move on this from an Igloo parent thank you express for a great game wish we could play every week . Great job see ya soon

Let's see if the guest player goes back to Icon. Whoever said he wasn't a difference maker was not paying attention. He is by far the best player on Express. Big, strong, fast with skills at 2021 that's dominating. Thinking that's why Icon played Black Ice to a one goal game last summer. Two 2021 teams played Black Ice to a tight game and there was one common denominator (guest player). Let's just be thankful he's not on Black Ice.

LOL......would you rather we discuss your player from PA or how your team represented itself as 2021 for it's entire existence while having grade inappropriate players? Or how about we broach the subject of players with summer and fall 2002 birthdays who should be in 8th grade but are in 7th?

Not sure who you think the Icon guest player was, but he is not a big, strong kid. Guest player is smaller, quick, and highly skilled kid.

That "guest Player" is far from big and strong. Yes, he is very good. Great stick skills and sees the field well but he is NOT big and strong. Think we are talking about the wrong kid here...

Ha! The kid you're talking about is and always has been express. End. Stop.

The big strong kid owns New [lacrosse] City

Bloomberg is still playing lacrosse. How many times can you hold someone back! Jeezz

If igloo is that good, self proclaimed, stop whining about "guest" players. Just continue to beat any 2021 team you face.
I would have more respect for the igloo clan if they would stop belly aching and just play and beat who you compete against and stop saying it is because of "guest players".
You guys won, it was a great game and so was the icon game from last year. Can't you admit these games are far batter than the 20-3 games?
I hope we meet up again and would love to be the 2021 team to hand you guys your first age bracket loss in sometime. Kudo's to you guys, but see you soon enough
PS, is 91 playing hide and seek? lol

So now we know both teams are great and neither one is perfect. Right now Igloo is still the best but Igloo parents are not used to teams playing them so close. They better get used to closer games. As the kids get older the age advantage igloo enjoys will be less. Also as time goes on Parents will wake up and move kids to teams that have a history and relationships with many colleges. It happens all the time as the kids get older. Igloo ,91 and Express are so close in talent all it will take is for igloo to loose one top five player to knock them off as the number one team. Once they are not number one more kids will leave. It Has happened many times in the past when the best team for an age group has less college conections compared to teams number two and three. The best teams are only as good as their top five players. Take away the top five kids from all these teams and there is no difference between team one and team number 8. You will learn it means nothing to be on the best team. It is all about the college conections starting next year. The 2021 age group will be no different from all the older age groups and all the best kids will go to 91, express and fl$ over the next two years. This arguing now on who is the best is nonsense.

No connection to Igloo, but anyone's who been in common tournaments with Tourney Machine knows that had something like 3 1-goal wins this Summer. And, WSL may be a load of BS, but if they go and win it and keep getting invites to play up like Crush seems to have, do you really think those kids will need to switch teams for recruiting purposes?

Top 5 kids on Igloo... No they won't need help if grades are above a 90. If grades below a 90 it will be a different story. The rest of the kids without a doubt they will need a lot of help. I bet an Express, 91 or fl$ kid will get the desired spots before anyone else. My son played for one of those three teams and it is amazing what they can do for a kid.

Those top kids would have no limits if they play for a team that knows college coaches and are trusted. A team that has never got a kid into a college and has limited conections will only be able to help a top kid so much. My bet would be less talented Express kids land in a better spot than a more talented kid from a team with less college contacts.

Sorry but Igloo is the top of 2021. WHen coaches start looking at the top talent they will look at Igloo, Rich Kotite could be their coach , if the college coaches see the talent then thats all she wrote .

Just because a kid is on Igloo does not mean he will play college. Over the years most of the kids that left Igloo voluntarily or got cut could not make another AA or even A team and are on B teams now. Avalanche has many old Black Ice players and they are a B plus team at best. Avalanche with all those former black Ice kids got beat By Express 11-2 a couple of weeks ago. Sorry college coaches don't care what team a kid is on. They turn to programs and directors they know and trust.

Yeah, thats what they do, When they get a call from a a director of the proper club team they automatically send out a scholarship letter. Sorry, but these coaches need to see these kids play with their own eyes. If Igloo ends up being the best team in the Nation this year coaches will watch them.

This is an interesting debate. On the one hand, Igloo has been the best 2021 team and seems to have added talent with an eye towards the WSL. How will they not get invites to the best tournaments over the next couple years? Will their players really not get showcase spots? Maybe not.

When one looks at the 2019 early commits and even the 2018 commits, they are concentrated among a remarkably small number of clubs. Either these clubs attract the best players in the country or college coaches are "efficient, to put it nicely, in how they evaluate and recruit talent or, perhaps, rely on or follow the recommendations of club coaches.

It's insane to think that the entire recruiting circus for 2021's may start in less than 12 months, if not earlier, and in any event in about 18 months.

Not if igloo can't get in the tournaments that the coaches are at !

Assume Igloo will not attempt to use the alleged out of state player in the WSYL Qualifier and Tournament - home addresses and birth certificates are required submissions to enter

Coaches will go to programs they know and trust not a new program trying to make a name with one talented team. Playing ability is only part of the equation. There is character , work ethic and much more. This type of information comes from the club teams and it requires a high degree of trust and credibility. You are nuts if you think one great team in a program buys credibility for an unknown director. If the number one team's best players were to leave and go to Express or 91 those teams would be the number one team talent wise and those kids would have the benefit of the recruitment history of those teams. Why risk it with an unknown? You get one chance at this. Do you even know your teams future plans for recruitment help? All it takes is a couple of top kids to leave the number one team and there goes the best team will be followed by colleges theory. Further beating Express by three goals and icon by one is not so impressive to college coaches that it would make them follow that team around. Good luck in the future and we all hope it works for you.

Keep hating.

You make a valid point above in regards to "why risk the unkown". My question though, if a program has a winning team which consistently wins at high levels regardless of 1 or 2 goal victories. Why would college coaches elect not to see why this team and coaching staff are winning? Don't you think just out of curiosity they would want to see what sets them apart?
i am sure when 91 and express first broke onto the lax scene, they had one or two team's as well and over time they built their own empire. Why hate on a director who is completely hands on, many, many of the players and parents love him and he truly cares about the game and your child's lacrosse development.
i don't know nor do i understand this. i can only say the group of boys on the team may not be the best of the best by themselves, but as a unit, they most certainly are. Yes, the team has its studs as every team does, but those that may not shine as bright certainly are nothing less than "A" players as well. I wish igloo well and i hope when and if they lose they learn from it and continue to win and play at such a high level.

No one is hating. It is just very funny that Black Ice parents think colleges are so impressed with this team that they are going to follow this team around because they beat Icon by one goal and Express by three goals. If you think about it it makes no sense but we get it , you want to believe it is true so you will ignore logic. It is like talking to a kid who joined a cult and ignores logic and believes the cult leader no matter what. Good luck.

You stating this team is a B+ team at best shows where the line of thinking is coming from. You can't say much about the other 2021 team so you try to make a point with the what you call the "B Team". I am sure you know someone on this team as you took the liberty of commenting about some kids leaving and not making AA teams, and their successes or failures as you describe. What you fail to realize is the 2021 kids not on any "AA Team"s have something to work towards. Developing your son into a better player whether it be skill, confidence, or strength should always be the main objective. I speak from recent experience (As you probably cannot) many of these kids in 2021 regardless of team will have an opportunity to go showcase and personally compete. If your son is that good he will get the invites and looks he deserves. Committing to a school in 8/9th Grade for lacrosse doesn't always work out in favor of the student. Wait These kids are 12 years old..they are just students right?

Best 2021 Goalie:
1)Express
2)91 (close 2nd)
3)Icon
4)Igloo

Best 2021 Defense:
1)igloo
2)91
3)Icon
4)Express

Best 2021 1st Middie Line:
1)Express
2)Igloo
3)91
4)Icon

Best 2021 Attack:
1)Express, Igloo & 91
2)Icon

Best 2021 Bench:
1)Igloo
2)91 & Express
3)Icon

Best 2021 Head coach:
1)Icon & 91
2)Igloo
3)Express

Best recruitment system:
1)91 & Express hands down
2)Icon
3)Igloo

Any thoughts, kinda of fun no?
I Believe these are the top teams in the northeast hands down and are going to Lax world series. And guess what they are all from LI..

the point is just because a kid plays for black ice, express Channy or 91 heat does not mean the kid is an A player or will play college lax. Kids that left all three of these teams the last few years tried out for A and AA teams and did not make them. Nothing wrong with being on a B team as there are many A and AA kids on those teams and are having fun and great for learning. Parents have got to wake up. talent only gets you so far. The old saying goes it's not what you know but it is who you know. That is true more so in the lax word.

quote=Anonymous]You stating this team is a B+ team at best shows where the line of thinking is coming from. You can't say much about the other 2021 team so you try to make a point with the what you call the "B Team". I am sure you know someone on this team as you took the liberty of commenting about some kids leaving and not making AA teams, and their successes or failures as you describe. What you fail to realize is the 2021 kids not on any "AA Team"s have something to work towards. Developing your son into a better player whether it be skill, confidence, or strength should always be the main objective. I speak from recent experience (As you probably cannot) many of these kids in 2021 regardless of team will have an opportunity to go showcase and personally compete. If your son is that good he will get the invites and looks he deserves. Committing to a school in 8/9th Grade for lacrosse doesn't always work out in favor of the student. Wait These kids are 12 years old..they are just students right? [/quote]

When you list best positions, coach's, etc., it is a opinion, but the recruitment process. Very hard to judge Icon and Igloo in the recruitment process as they are kind of new to it as a organization, but you have to be kidding me that if anyone does not think the coach's at Icon would not have more input with any college over anyone of the other teams you are completely wrong. When it comes time I can't imagine any coach in the country will not take their word over any of the other in a heart beat, not even close. They are two of the most respected people in lacrosse. I think they have more experience in what is best and who they can call than all the others combined.

As for the discussion of best att,mid,def,coach, are you including the Icon mid with Express, if so I would agree, if not Igloo has the best mid, Icon has the best attack group and Igloo has best def. As far as the other post they are right on with the input the Icon staff will have in the future with recruiting over all.

Yes, i am including the little guy without him they dont have a face off guy and i do agree with the icon coach input, thats why they are 2nd.

Not really how it works!! You will see. And they haven't played their first middle school game yet. Don't know where they are going to HS. Really need to relax with the recruiting nonsense at this age. It's not real or happening. And don't think this big showcases are just going to let you in with your one good team. They will go to the clubs who have produced over the years. Express , 91, Crabs, Dukes, Sweetlax , WC Stars etc.

Having a son who played against Igloo(2x), Express (at least 5x) , Icon (2x) and 91 (1x) and also I understand the Icon mid is only a guest player for Express(which is crazy as it is getting more and more like soccer which s---) I would go with Igloo as the strongest mid given the size and speed, as well as there def with 91 being a very close 2nd and the Icon attack. Coaching staff and potential recruiting not close- Icon. Hard to give Express any kudos as it is my opinion that it is just flat out wrong to bring other kids in. Really don't know who is on their team. They do have one other top mid and a top def ( if he is on their LI team or City team). Overall best team Igloo.

Played against these teams multiple times too and even more than this person who posted. Igloo first line Middys are amazing. This year Express improved first line where it may be equal to Igloo. Icon also just as good. Not as impressed with 91 first line. Attack on all 4 are about the same. Igloo may be the best but not by much. Defense Igloo by far the best and Icon/91 close to each other. Express way behind at defense. In fact teams ranked 5 and 6 have a better defense than Express. Goalies Express has the best. The other three are about equal.
Faceoff are very close. I would bet they will all beat each other on any given day. Best teams in order Igloo - 91- Express and Icon. These teams are so close it is impossible to rank them but this is an honest opinion. Would love to see them play in a league and play multiple times. That would be the real world series.

Thats why they really want to talk to the HS coach who can give a much more detailed background. Hey, these clubs are making hundreds of thousands by making people believe they need them to get recruited. College coaches are looking for players who can help them win, period.

What no Outlaws !!!!!!!!!

If you are talking about Long Island I concur, but the northeast has a few other very talented teams at 2021. Victor, Laxachusettes, Eclipse & Primetime. No doubt one of these teams will knock off one of the LI teams. As for best goalie Laxachusettes has two outstanding goalies & Eclipse has the best attack I ever seen at this level. Defense and midfield I agree with the original post. Face off the Primetime kid did well against 91 & express so I would put him as an equal to the rest.

My son is a 2021 and has been invited to Showcase. Is it worth it at this age? Does anyone have experience with Showcases? Thanks in advance.