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This is the most irrelevant post I've read in a while. Are you that detached from the ideals that sports in stills on children?? "They're only 10" is the precise reason that these practices should be thwarted. You don't think that people will be talking about express cheating? You don't think the 10 year olds will know? You, pal, are the one that needs an attitude check.

Your like Lacrosse Seinfeld. You post about nothing. This is a forum. The point is to have a discussion. It's not a 10 year old forum, thus the reason, Jerry, that you even come on here and read and post. That's for your insightful participation.

As an outsider reading these texts, I think it's more about age appropriate kids getting hurt by older kids than having an older kid help win your Express game

Express is not cheating . One of the teams is Express North coming from Westchester .

No 10 yr old is getting hurt by an 11yr old. I'm not saying it's right to play older kids but at that age I don't think it's a big difference with size.

NAssau Suffolk football league , if they're still around has double age group teams. The boys played young one year and then the following year they were the older ones. No one ever complained. A few years later , the newer generation of crybaby parents right away go to videotape about how old is he , or when's his birthday and so on. All you parents think your son is the next best thing but meanwhile he's average and just wants to have fun and play. Unfortunately he can't because you have him thinking everyone else is cheating. Your cheating him.

That is the dumbest justification ever posted. In sports at this age skill level is a major difference from year to year. Kids older at this age are usually faster and stronger from one year to the next. If my 10 year old would play with the 9 year olds he could physically hurt most of them and run circles around most.

But that is not the topics of discussion. The question is what teams are express entering into the tournament. Their website one set of teams and they registered a different set for tournament.

ok, yes, there are some valid issues with people questioning what team is what, etc. and there is already a lot of angst and vitriol flowing on the boards at all the different ages, about this and upcoming tournaments. it's the first tourney, lets see how it plays out with the teams. let them play and compete and have fun. stop starting fights for your kids. let them discover their worlds. don't salt the earth for them.

as far as everyone's express questions go, i guess we'll see with our own eyes on monday what the deal is. focus your attenion today on work, kids, and real life issues. [lacrosse], go work on this weekends fantasy roster.

Sounds like your son is playing down. He must be so bad that he is disgraced by kids his own age.

Express North has nothing to do with this conversation. We're discussing the Channy 2 team. It doesn't exist except in this tourney. No kid deserves to be cheated.

its a huge difference for some.

people complained. No one listened. A kid will have to get seriously injured first unfortunately. I know 3 kids told they shouldn't play football till high school or ever based on injury this year 10 and 11's due to injury. Some kids are two helmet size difference. Its irresponsible of the leagues to allow it.

I actually hope the express combines the best kids for these games, then there will be some competitive games. They can have the T shirts, we just want good games, win or lose.

What team does your son play for that he needs a team to cheat to give him a competitive game? When a team stacks the roster and blows other teams out by 10 goals, it's not competitive. Your son will feel like crap. Games won't be good.

SAL has hurt quite a few kids.

It would be foolish to have the 5th grade boys play all morning and them put some of them to play against 6th graders in the afternoon after playing 3 am games. Asking for trouble/injuries. I would be surprised if the Express Parents let that happen

no one is stacking a team. Dont get your panties in a wod. People are just stirring the pot.

If you check out Tourney Machine in 2022 there are 4 Express teams registered: LI Express Channy, LI Express Channy 2, LI Express Haugen (2023 coach) and LI Express Lynott. In 2023 there is LI Express Channy, LI Express Channy 2, LI Express White (and also Express North). If Haugens team is in 6th grade bracket - how is it possible for Express to have 3 additional teams in 2023 so a total of 4 teams when there were only about 60-70 kids at tryouts! Interesting! Sounds like a lot of "guest appearances" on Monday. Do they really have THAT many extra helmets!

I guess those 3- 30 min running clock games are going to be an exhausting day. Drama ....

Why do you care what express is doing? Are you sure they're all LI teams, Express has teams in Westchester and NYC. Just have fun and enjoy the tournament,

Yes, I'm sure. Express North is listed as Express North. I care because my son is playing in a tournament. I care because when tournaments are run, there should be a level playing field. I care because if a team just materializes out of thin air, it's clear that no one is making certain that the players are cleared to play in that age group. I care because it's BLATANT cheating and irresponsible on behalf of the event organizers. I care because last time a team just came about like this, two players on my sons team got leveled by a bigger kid.

Your letting yourself get caught up with winning and losing, this isn't PAL. If my sons team gets beat by 10, I'll tell him he needs to work harder to compete, not that they cheated. I applaud Haugen for playing up and challenging his kids. Not only is it fall, it's fall of 5th grade, development over championship.

What does Haugen playing his team up have to do with any of this? I'm not concerned with existing teams playing up. My concern is with unregulated, made up teams playing instead. I'd be a [lacrosse] of a lot happier with my guy playing the Honey Badgers. At least I would know that they are a legitimate team. Channy 2 is made up of who knows what.

Your missing the point. The discussion is not haugen playing up. That is excellent and a good choice. The question are who is Channy and Channy 2. Express at this age only had one Channy team. Is that a team playing up, down Newley formed, formed for the tournament or Haugens team going at 2023 and 2022 braket. Are kids in Channy and Channy 2 going to be interchanged, a problem that was rampant last year. Teams moved kids around based on who they were playing and wether they made the finals or not. Nobody cares that haugen is playing up.

Express lists 3 2023 teams. If 1 is playing up that leaves 2 and the north team. So they very easily could have 3 in the same bracket. Now if one is up and they list 4 at 23 then I could see that being an issue.

The point is don't be consumed with trying to win, just challenged the team to get better. The express is a large club with many teams, if the boys are grade appropriate who cares who's on what team. The point about Haugen is that he is willing to take his team into a bracket and possibly lose every game to get better. Don't concern yourself or measure the boys success based on winning at this age. Just find great teams to play, you'll just exhaust yourself complaining throughout the years.

Some people just love hearing themselves talk, unreal..,

That is exactly the issue. 1 is up and 4 at 23

Express (Long Island) has four teams at the 2023 Level. Haugen's is playing up in the 2022 bracket. There are two Channy Teams due to overwhelming try-out numbers this year, and there is a team under Coach White. The third team in the bracket is Express North from Westchester. Whites team is not in this tournament.

I stand corrected, White's team is in this tournament, so I guess you can fault the Express for sending four teams to play in the tournament. I'm not sure why?, it's just a larger organization.

Complain as you must, but just let the boys play!

Wow!!! 4 teams in one age group...can you say money grab.

I do believe that this is false information.

Who cares if it is a money grab. They obviously had enough people sign their kids up. Maybe that is bad parenting. Maybe their kids just want to play and improve and aren't as concerned about winning. As for Express maybe they are looking to take the best that signed up and create a strong team and weed the rest out.

Wow Express 2023 teams getting crushed today .... Maybe the tide is changing

Express split their squads to get their boys more runs to see what they have!

Guess they have to re think how they teamed boys
They are getting crushed

Whites team is newly formed and as of last week had no goalie. Not sure those kids had a shot.

When you have three teams at 2023, you lose that as an excuse.

So do you really see Express changing it for the next tournament? If not they will continue to get beat badly.

It's 10 year old lacrosse. Express had 4 2023 teams. Three from LI, one from Westchester. Igloo played lights out. Legacy and Outlaws are good teams.

Their was only one bracket today. The good town teams would have given Igloo, Outlaws and Legacy a great run today.