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Hi, LI Dad!

haha....you definitely caught a LI dad or Mom here

The population of Long Island as of 2014 was 7.8 million, the population of Maryland as of 2014 was 5.9 million...let's drill it down a bit further...being that the bulk of the private schools in Baltimore come from the Balt Metro area, we can up the population to 2.3 million...Please give the LI lacrosse is better mantra a rest...bigger population to chooses from, greater number of schools with quality lacrosse..come play in the MIAA and see what quality lacrosse is about. Expand a bit further and we have the DC and NOVA schools (Landon, Gtown Prep and Gonzaga which all play MIAA schools throughout the year)...a lot better brand of lacrosse in the Mid Atlantic in a far small pool of schools. Don't get me wrong, LI lacrosse is outstanding but it is an apples to oranges comparison.

The population of Long Island as of 2014 was 7.8 million, the population of Maryland as of 2014 was 5.9 million...let's drill it down a bit further...being that the bulk of the private schools in Baltimore come from the Balt Metro area, we can up the population to 2.3 million...Please give the LI lacrosse is better mantra a rest...bigger population to chooses from, greater number of schools with quality lacrosse..come play in the MIAA and see what quality lacrosse is about. Expand a bit further and we have the DC and NOVA schools (Landon, Gtown Prep and Gonzaga which all play MIAA schools throughout the year)...a lot better brand of lacrosse in the Mid Atlantic in a far small pool of schools. Don't get me wrong, LI lacrosse is outstanding but it is an apples to oranges comparison. [/quote]


The population stat you are referring to is for all of LI. That includes parts of Brooklyn and Queens. The part of LI that plays lacrosse is Nassau and Suffolk counties. The combined population of both counties is approximately 2.7mm people - the same as Baltimore Metro area you speak of. Please get your facts right (or learn how to use google).

So I guess LI lacrosse is better. By the way, there is not a lot of lacrosse being played in Brooklyn or Queens...

You do realize that the Brooklyn Bridge connects LI to Manhattan...

When you talk about MD lacrosse, you are talking about 10 teams and really 6-5 of those teams are consistently good...talent on LI is spread out across a greater cross section of teams, both public and private. As an experiment, maybe Chaminade of St Anthony's or Manhasset or Massapequa should come down and play a consistent schedule in the MIAA and see how they fare? GC comes down and wins a game here and there, unlikely any LI team wins on a consistent basis...continue playing your cupcake schedules and going to Sprats on the Water to celebrate the wins!

Is that why so many kids from LI wear gold chains and capezios?

love that sprats reference, but you know that joint closed down years ago, back when you could afford to live on LI.

In Maryland you have 4-5 MIAA schools that are loaded up and concentrated with the top kids in the Baltimore area. In the DMV you again have 4-5 either IAC or WCAC teams that are a concentrated pool of top local kids. After that those leagues have an ugly bottom half and the public school leagues are terrible.

People can post all day long that "only" a few publics in LI can compete at the high MIAA level. The point is there are 30+ townships that have very good public school teams. Maryland and DMV taken together don't have 5. I also think that the top DMV and MIAA teams have started to lose fairly consistently to the Philly preps coming down to play. Maryland lacrosse has been in decline for the last 5-8 years. I think a lot of that has to do with the growth of the game lifting the competition, but also just that the clubs in Maryland do a lousy job developing talent relative to LI and Philly.

Translation: LI dad says MD bad, LI good.

Btw GC has won the last 2 years against St Paul's and I would guess has a winning record against the MIAA - biggest problem with MIAA teams is their lack of willingness to travel to LI - they just won't. I saw Calvert Hall is looking for a game but only on a home base scenario - when was the last time a MIAA ventured up to Long Island - has it ever occurred?

The MD people wont drive here. Their leased range rovers would breakdown on 95 north and they would sit on side of 95 crying for help. They wouldn't want to get their sailing outfits dirty.

* crickets *

Maryland people won't go anywhere. Lots of drama to go 90 mins north to Philly. The MIAA teams won't go there to play games either. None are as lame as the IAC teams who duck Hill and Culver when those two come through the mid-Atlantic...seems like Georgetown Prep and Landon love bragging about rankings, but both also have and annual case of the Peterborough Flu each may.

I'll take lame for $400, Alex.

In the last three years, Hill has played:
Landon
Bullis
SSSAS

In the last three years, Culver has played:
Landon

It looks like Hill has more openings to play IAC teams than does Culver. But regardless, your statement is not factually correct.

See what you did there. Misleading. Landon dropped games with Culver and Hill 2 years ago. Tired of losing. Ditto that Bullis and SSSAS. They can't win and don't want to play Hill or Culver anymore.

Only DMV or Baltimore team with the stones to play Culver and Hill on their spring swing is Gonzaga.

Factually correct is the IAC "powers"will auto drop any team that beats them in consecutive years. In their own minds the winner of that conference is the #1 team in the country and a bubble wrap around it is best. Of course the easy thing to try and pass is a few of those teams played Hill and Culver in past 3 years. Bullis and SSSAS haven't played Hill after getting smoked 3 years ago, and Landon dropped Culver and Hill two years ago when they got tired of losing at home. Last year the smoke and mirrors worked for Landon to be ranked #2 for all high schools, which was hard to lobby for considering they lost to a California team as the only team that rolled through DC and could get a game with Landon. The way it is supposed to work is they market their way to be #1 in the pre-season and then play a lame OOC schedule. If they can win their league, then hey we're #1.

I'll take lame for $600, Alex.

What was that garbage LI brought to Philly Showcase yest? Express and fl$ teams went 0-6 and blown out in many games and Express 18's went 1-2?????

Most LI teams heavily depleted due to Fall Classic. Top 30+ programs playing with school teams. Most top sophomores and Juniors were playing with those school teams. Some went to Individual showcase on Sat and back to LI Sun for HS games.

LI teams should have come down to MD on Sat and mixed it up with the MIAA and Canadian teams...

fl$ had 2018s playing in the 2017 bracket with 4 2017 team members. Most of the 2017s were playing with their HS teams on LI.

So any earth shattering news from this weekend?

That's interesting. Wasn't there a huge dust up over the summer with fl$ over Chaminade kids playing for their High School and not their fl$ team? Kids were thrown off their fl$ teams. If what you say is true I guess the powers to be at fl$ are ok with their kids playing for their public high schools but not their Catholic ones. Either that or it's just another double standard shown by fl$.

There was a dustup and it involved 2016 boys who left their fl$ team short at a tournmanet without much notice. The fl$ mantra is that your school team comes first during the school season and that fl$ comes first during tournament seson. It's made clear way in advance and parents and kids sign the code of conduct. The Chaminade coach then stepped it up a notch and told Chaminade players not to play for fl$ next season. Pretty funny considering the Chaminade coach has a financial interest in Express......

Doesn't really matter. That team is not very good.

It doesn't matter what the season is. The HS team should always come before the club team.

That team was mostly Chaminade boys. Maybe honoring your committment doesn't matter at Chaminade.

Only 6 of 25 were from Chaminade. What happened is a shame, essentially two sets of adults behaving like children and disregarding their high school-aged wards' best interests.

fl$'s club is becoming a non-event...attracts lesser talent and fighting to stay relevant...joining forces with 3D for a marginal tournament (there were coaches there but should disclose that they pay them $500/day to show up) is a move out of desperation...soon they will be 3D Long Island

I don't now about "non-event." Their 2017 team presently has 10 D1 commits (all to good to superior academic/lacrosse schools). Would also expect additional commitments over the next 9-10 months from much of the remaining pool. Agree that, relative to the Turtles and Team 91, these commitments are not as impressive, but no shabby for a program that is a "non-event." Regardless of your particular perception, fl$ seems to have been able to, either or both, develop talent and/or get players recognized by college coaches.

Actually 9 o 22 were from Chaminade. Agree that it was a shame and adults actling like children.

Sorry but no need to put the initials of players last names. Not that you were speaking badly about them just prefer to keep kids out of it.

The numbers have nothing to do with it. Stop with the red herrings. In this latest case it looks like only 4 kids from the team played while the other, say 18, played with their high school which I agree with. The issue is not the numbers. The issue is why the two standards. Stop with the tournament / high school season nonsense. The high school season is clearly over. You can't argue that. Their 2017 team has 4 fall tournaments. That would make it tournament season, no? Someone will get on here with semantics that it's not tournament season. Well why are they playing 4 tournaments then? Read and listen beyond the rhetoric. The Chaminade kids were targeted. Plain and simple.

1. Why do you have an issue with that?
2. How does that impact you or your family?
3. Why does it bother you what people do with their money, time and children?

Not the person quoted, but here is its impact on my son:

1) When the whole team is not at a given tournament, it affects the team's performance. Not least of which is to potentially leave the team without its goalie.
2) When the team does not perform well, college coaches do not show up or do not focus on my son's team.
3) When the coaches don't show up or focus, my son doesn't get as much of an opportunity to be seen.

Why does it bother me that people will back out of their commitment to a team, because I spent money (as well as 24 other families) on the premise of the team expressing a certain level of quality and therefore opportunity for my son to be seen. So the decision made by the parents affected my son not just their son.

I know we are in this whatever is best for my son/daughter world, but I was always raised to believe that if you joined a team you were committed to fully participate on that team (practices and tournaments). The tournament schedule was know well in advance by all parents and athletes and the Chaminade games came up out of the blue. All of the parents had signed up for the tournaments leaving every other player under the impression that they would show up.

That fl$ 2017 team had enough talent with or without the Chaminade boys who had to change their plans that weekend. It was a very, very good team. Most of the Chammy players showed up for the second day of the fl$ tournament and therefore did their best to fulfill demands from both sides. They were pawns in the middle of a Coaching "belly-bucking" contest.

It's called COMPROMISE. But I guess you're all about winning.

I think the guy who wrote that was on your side of the debate.

Hey, I see your side. However, I still believe the kids should play for their high school and I still believe certain kids were held to a different standard than the others and those kids happened to be the Chaminade kids. That was my point.

Before I bow out I have one question for you. If your son's high school coach sprung a tournament on him at the last minute (or week) you would advise him to tell the coach he is going to his club tournament? If your honest answer is yes and I knew you I would highly advise you to reconsider.

Best of luck to your son and all the other 2017s.

1. There is rarely a time every single player shows up for a summer tournament. Coaches, parents and players know this and great players never rely on other players to "make the team look good". They step it up and play harder.

2. When the team doesn't play well, it's nobody's fault but the team who played. Again, that just means that the players who were there need to step it up and play harder.

3. A player who steps it up and plays hard will be noticed by coaches. It won't matter whether their team won or lost games in a tournament.

Placing blame on things you can't control only makes you look petty. If you want your son to be noticed, encourage him to focus on HIS strengths and HIS weaknesses. Lead by example. You're sending a message to your son that someone else has power over his fate. Nobody controls how well your son plays but HIMSELF. I have seen tournaments where the really great players on a team were purposely asked not to play by their coach, and the other kids who were good/very good players had to step it up. Guess what? They did it. Do you know why? Because they had the fortitude to step it up and dig deep and work their butts off.

It doesn't make you look petty if 9 boys on a team (or their parents) decide the week of the tournament not to show up. That leaves 12-15 boys for a tournament playing 3 games in 90-100 degree heat.

The HS team should always come first. Always.

90-plus degree heat is typical in a summer tournament. Giving your son appropriate hydration before, during and after games is simply common sense. If it was too hot for the kids to play, the officials would have stopped the games. Consider it a gift that your son got more playing time than he would have had. There were plenty of other players on other teams who spent just as much time on the field at the same tourney.

Now it's the heat's fault.