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Don't Cavs and VLC play in same Division in NYPLL league.

That's sort of true. 2019 is one of the only competitive Cavs teams and played in the NPYLL lower division yes...they had a tough time there for the most part. Cavs generally play in the Great Falls league (VA) vs the Charlottesville Bolts and others. The tourneys they normally do are the Battle of Bull Run and Shore Wars which are on the level of the Great Falls League. Cavs are a well run organization and are a good supplement to rec, but not competitive for preparing to play and succeed at the college level like madlax, VLC, and BW. They like to win tournaments vice playing against higher level competition.

VLC has way better high school teams with a history of being good. and being part of the Crabs does not hurt either.

How does that help them

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC

Only about 40 kids at the Virginia madlax tryouts?

Sorry....2020 Virginia. Is the madlax capital roster already filled up?

I should have phrased this question better, how has being a part of BLC helped VLC, does VLC have bigger numbers since merger, is there financial support from BLC. Do these mergers help or does thge owner of smaller club just get a payday for his email database. I would assume since Rob is still involved that the BLC-VLC merger was not simply a handshake and a check in the mail. I really am curious as to what the difference before BLC and post BLC

BLC pre-Crabs was very different. post BLC, the VLC has weakened at the youth level. Let's not waste any time with this: if VLC continued as-is with the founder / prior owner, they'd have wiped out Madlax. The parents, particularly the youth age parents, experienced quite a shock when King Crab the Overlord showed up. After a year of never getting a question answered or an email returned, I could see the only two times a VLC parent will hear from McClernan is when he's asking for money or berating people for having a question. Once a youth team had a game at Cedar Park. The part McClernan didn't communicate on the website was WHICH Cedar Park. Parents drove to the wrong part of Maryland and needed to race over to make a game with no warm up. At least one mom was threatened her kid would be kicked out and he'd send a refund after she emailed him to suggest improving the way things get communicated. VLC's youth teams have gone backwards and a good many Fairfax County parents and families like ours just don't see the way Ryan McClernan does business to be a good thing for us or our families. This is how BW survived after being down. This is how Madlax was able to recover and get a stranglehold on the top youth players in NOVA. Freedom did fail and fold, but remember why it started to begin with. A large volume of parents, some VLC coaches and kids just got fed up and left. If your son is not one of 3-4 players in a grade VLC is interested in selling to colleges, it's a bad fit for anyone. Who needs a fat slob berating us. I am a 50 year old man with a doctorate, not a puppet. I didn't let McClernand treat our family like garbage, or should anyone else. There is plenty of alternatives for kids who want to play.

There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

There are kids trying out for 3-4 teams this month. Kind of sad that the myopia and stress reached this level to have families all over the place to ensure a kid can play. Most of the kids you counted at VLC's tryouts were are other club tryouts as well. Not sure what your point means. Ryan McClernan doesn't run a good ship and it shows.

I am a Madlax Dad so I do not mind the bashing of another club for once not named Madlax. But I also think there has to be a number 2 or number 3 club in the area so over all I am hoping for a strong VLC team. There is way more then 20 kids who can play D1 in this area and there needs to be 3 strong clubs for the D1 kids to play for.

It's just a money grab. Instead of allowing the top kids to be locks for his Orange team, he is making eveyrone try out which means more tryout fees, even though those kids were on the team before they set foot on the field.

And instead of one B team, he is splitting the Blue kids into two teams, making them even weaker. The kids who stay in the program but don't make the Orange team are the ones who will suffer.

Don't know about the VA tryouts but we were there at the MD ones and the turnout was pretty bad.

It's true invited Capital players didn't have to pay. But it's also true this new system isn't really to benefit the Orange team. They might get 1 or 2 new playera because of the 2 tryouts but the Blue players really get screwed over by splitting into 2 teams.

Counting college commits seems to be a reach. If a program has bunches of kids committed to VMI, other 3rd tier programs, that is supposed to be a wow attraction. Not following that. The number of VLC and Blackwolf commits in face is high, the percentage of them going to lower tier programs is also high. Some lower tier D1 programs exist to attract full tuition paying families. Nothing wrong with kids making an academic choice to go to one of them, but to market it as a club lacrosse team nailing it for placements is pretty empty.

Counting college commits seems to be a reach. If a program has bunches of kids committed to VMI, other 3rd tier programs, that is supposed to be a wow attraction. Not following that. The number of VLC and Blackwolf commits in face is high, the percentage of them going to lower tier programs is also high. Some lower tier D1 programs exist to attract full tuition paying families. Nothing wrong with kids making an academic choice to go to one of them, but to market it as a club lacrosse team nailing it for placements is pretty empty.

My beef is that some posters are constantly saying how VLC and Blackwolf have better HS programs, which simply is not true. Look at the numbers, each program is very close. Furthermore, if madlax's HS is so bad how is it that there are 3 madlax kids that made ty xander's top 50 sophomore list, two of which are in the top 10. Not too shabby for a sub par HS program. How many kids from Blackwolf and VLC, you ask? Zero!

I only included the current high school teams, obviously the 2015 team doesn't exist anymore, but for kicks-and-giggles let's take a wider sample size - from 2012 to present, madlax with 79 d1 commits, vlc with 49. I think it is safe to say that, when it comes to getting kids committed to D1 programs, the Madlax HS program is equally as good as VLC and Blackwolf, if not better. Not trying to get into a virtual pissing match, just wanted to refute an inaccurate statement posted by the previous poster.

If we're on the topic of quality placements, look at VLC's 2017 commitments:

Duke
Virginia
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
West Point
Colgate
Maryland
High Point

Pretty good schools I'd say!

How many Madlax 2016s made the cut? ZERO.

How many Madlax 2017s made the cut? ZERO.

You are slicing up stats to suit your agenda. If you look at the number of commits from 2014-2019, both BW and VLC have a lot more than Madlax. If Madlax is best for your family, then be happy with that. But don't try to create random stats that don't give a true picture.

Blackwolf has had so many more commits since 2014 than Madlax it's not even close.

Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.

Ok, let's keep bashing each other's program, costs, coaches and commits. All good stuff. But please keep Ty Xander's rankings out of any discussion of superiority. You all do know he gets paid by our clubs to write his blog and attend these tourneys. How do you all think he makes money, website advertising?

His list is a nice read and good entertainment, but please don't think for one minute there aren't kids out there in non-hotbed areas just as good as our "Ty ranked" players.