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That sounds like the same story you are going to hear at any club for any sport anywhere in the USA. Madlax has no dads as coaches. You might think a kid is better or worse then they think he is but how does it help them to play a worse kid over a better kid. They get more money and better kids when they win. So why would they do anything that would not help them win. You can disagree with what kid is better or not but I think they just disagree with your opinion.

Why should a father who is well qualified to coach be limited because his son is a good player. The whole thing seems silly to me, you want the best coach in place regardless of his off spring.

Not sure if this is the right forum but I am looking for feedback on the Blackwolf combines for U11 and U13 kids... They had a couple of dates in June - did anyone send their son and if so what did they think about it? Any thoughts welcome. I am trying to decide if it would make sense to send my son to the August combines. Thanks.

That seems like a fair point. Having said that, everyone knows who the better players are, and when recruiting started last year, some of the better players (only some) got edged out and it was weird. They took the hint and left I guess.

My son had a rec coach for 5 years who had a son on the team. It was never a problem and there was never any hint of favoritism toward his kid. So it can be done. it was a well-coached and very competitive team too, winning back-to-back championships.

Well I would say if your son is a star on Madlax now Blackwolf is a smart thing to check out. Its the only club leaving Madlax for makes sense. But be ready for a bad email I hope you can handle the evil owner.

So I am guessing you are 2019 or older. If you are 2019 they have 2 kids already going D1 and the 2018 team has 5 or 6 I have to recount. Coaches are still coaches and they have players and styles of play they like more then others. I know with 2019 one of the kids is a private school kid and the other is public. And if you look at the Private schools the kids go to they seem to be from all of the ones in the area.
The only way to know if you are correct is if the kids who left go play for and get full rides and the ones that are still at Madlax do not. The best way to look at it is to take the best 5 players in the country any year at any position and the top 10 teams in college will have them ranked in 10 different orders. So the Madlax coaches will be the same. I have been watching the top teams within Madlax and the other top teams for years. And the players are always so close in skill level its nuts. But what you have to understand is the college coaches want body types and speed levels. So if a kid has a weaker left hand but runs a 4.2 40 yard dash. He might be playing more then your slow highly skilled son. Madlax has to look long picture also. They have to think like a college coach. Same thing goes for your high skill son of two 5 foot tall parents. You can not have it both ways Madlax is about winning and having the best players. They will use this rule to break all ties when it comes to playing time and cuts. They cut kids from all the top Private schools all the time. And I know they cut kids who have parents that could buy Madlax twice and not even blink.

Well I would say if your son is a star on Madlax now Blackwolf is a smart thing to check out. Its the only club leaving Madlax for makes sense. But be ready for a bad email I hope you can handle the evil owner.

And I and most any Madlax parents knows he is and can be a hot head. We just know the clearly bad parts about him and the club are not greater then the many great to good parts the club gives them. I am on the inside the only bad part for anyone is when you leave the club to go play for a rival club. He acts like a big child and fool. But when you are playing for him and the club everything is great. So if you are leaving why would you care if he is mad at you. The other coaches in the program are all great. And the two kids who really run the place are and the teams are really good guys who hate when he acts like a fool. So that is why I call people babies who are scared he might yell at you in a email when you leave the club. As for him yelling at the kids on the sideline that is so over blown its crazy. He yells yes but is direct and has a good point when he yells at a kid. I have not one problem with how he handles the sidelines. He does not baby the star players like these other club coaches do. On the sideline during the game that is. He and Madlax are not for everyone but I cant let people just bad mouth him and the club for other reasons. Like I have said before there are things you can talk bad about but over blowing things is just girl stuff.

And I and most any Madlax parents knows he is and can be a hot head. We just know the clearly bad parts about him and the club are not greater then the many great to good parts the club gives them. I am on the inside the only bad part for anyone is when you leave the club to go play for a rival club. He acts like a big child and fool. But when you are playing for him and the club everything is great. So if you are leaving why would you care if he is mad at you. The other coaches in the program are all great. And the two kids who really run the place are and the teams are really good guys who hate when he acts like a fool. So that is why I call people babies who are scared he might yell at you in a email when you leave the club. As for him yelling at the kids on the sideline that is so over blown its crazy. He yells yes but is direct and has a good point when he yells at a kid. I have not one problem with how he handles the sidelines. He does not baby the star players like these other club coaches do. On the sideline during the game that is. He and Madlax are not for everyone but I cant let people just bad mouth him and the club for other reasons. Like I have said before there are things you can talk bad about but over blowing things is just girl stuff.

As a father of three and a coach of them all at times. When the S- - - hits the fan I am a Dad first and most fathers will tell you that also if they are being truthful. Yes it can work if the coaches son is a 100% stud. But if he is not the best by a long shot it is almost impossible to be done fairly. And when you have a dad coach he is also friends with the other parents witch causes him to keep a kid who should be cut or some form of this.

Well said --I think that sums it up nicely.

Cabell cares only about his club. If the interests of the club overlap with the interests of your child, he is a friend and all are happy. If those interests diverge, he finds it ridiculous that you would choose your child's bests interests over his club, and he becomes a vindictive SOB in response. As to why should you care when you are leaving; simple, he goes out of his way to trash you, and nobody deserves that.

I'm not sure what was summed up, other than that the father of three shouldn't have been given a whistle.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.

So lets list things that happen when a Dad is the coach or lest say things that will never happen.
1. The Dad/coaches kid never will be cut no matter if he is the 24th best player on the team.
2. The Dads kid will never be forgotten in a close game and get no playing time.
3. The Dads kid will be given way to much freedom to be a fool, or will be called out unfairly to make a point to the other players and the kid will hate playing.
4. The Dads kid will have private information about his teammates because he will over hear or read something.
This is just 4 examples I thought of in 3 mins. I am sure there is more. And if you go back and read what I said I said a great Coach/Dad will always revert back to Dad when the S*** hits the fan. Like when its time to cut or not cut his kid. Or when his kid is fighting with a teammate. Or when the game is in overtime and he needs to put his sons butt on the line to make a play. His judgement will always be clouded by one of th players being his son. And if you are parent you should be able to understand that. Also I stated that if the coaches kid is a stud the Dad can be the coach more successfully. But if the kid is avg. to not good. It is nearly impossible to be pulled off well.

you've detailed some of the reasons being a parent coach is so difficult. Kudos to the many that do it well and for the betterment of all kids on their teams. I would add to the list the sideline parents who are only interested in the success & playing time of their own kid. And who over value their own kids skill. This sport is really expensive. Every team or program can;t afford to pay for professional coaching.

Madlax is a for profit company. The extra charges do not go into their coaches' pockets. Take a guess where the extra goes.

The extra money at madlax goes to more practices, more tourneys, etc. It is a good organization with a good product. It is much more expensive than any other club I know of, but it delivers across the board if your rec situation is unacceptable for whatever reason. The drawback is the end game of being in that organization and the fact that if there is a problem, then things can get pretty darn uncomfortable pretty darn fast. There is no other club in nova that delivers a stand alone lax club. The others are all designed to be coupled with playing rec. For youth, VLC is the only one that even comes close in nova, but it's just a different product at the youth level...not a full service program. Madlax seems to have an issue at the HS level and therein lies the rub for many. VLC and Blackwolf are generally superior programs at the HS level. It will be interesting in the coming years with Blackwolf entering the youth market and madlax trying to create a Md version of themselves. 2019 and 2020 year groups could be the canary in the coal mine for one of these clubs. Maddox is a sharp business guy, Trig is a smart guy and a lax guru, and VLC is well run with Crab connections and always seems to get things together consistently. The next year or two will be interesting.

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

I really would not argue with that but what if you are the 26 best player in the state. I think you want a good team to play for. I think good players will be found by the right people as long as they are in the right places. These 3 clubs put the kids in the correct places. You can argue witch one does the best. But you can not assume its best for all top 60 to be on Madlax. If you are 2nd best Goalie in the state and the best plays for Madlax. Common sense says you should play for Blackworlf or VLC.

In most cases, the 2nd best goalie in the state would still play a half of a game regardless of what club he plays for

We understand your motivation to put the local clubs on equal footing, but it doesn't match the reality that Madlax is collectively a top 5 club in nation and the other 2 have part time approach and serious deficiencies

How would that be the best option for a goalie the is half the playing time. And i am sure if its a championship game he will sit the complete game.

Your son plays for Madlax. We get it.

You keep saying the same things but they're not true. Both BW and VLC have great HS teams and actually have more college commits.

There's no reason to keep belittling and making things up about other clubs just to boost your opinion of Madlax.

Is it OK for my kid to play for a lesser club team and just have fun? (commenter ducks for cover under the desk as all the parents of these MLL stars are ready to give me advise or demean my sons, LOL)

I don't understand how you can say VLC & Blackwolf HS teams are better than Madlax. Don't know a lot about the Blackwolf 2016 - 19 teams but do know that the Maclax 2016 team beat them at the UA shootout this summer. As for the. VLC HS teams, I do know a little about those teams since I have several friends that have a son who played or are currently playing for either VLC 2016, 2017& 2018, 2016 & 18 are weak for a AA team - no doubt about it. 2017 lost a couple of studs but are still pretty good. However, I don't believe they could beat the Madlax 2017 team which won the IL recruiting tourney this summer.

What does the statement about Blackwolf being a 'partial approach' mean?